MNRF moose-draw result error causes confusion

by Steve Galea | September 14, 2018

moose-drawIncorrect information placed on the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry (MNRF) automated-telephone service on August 1 from 8:30 a.m. to approximately 12 p.m. provided callers with incorrect moose-draw results.

The phone line was temporarily disabled after the vendor who handles the process realized an incorrect file had been posted. The automated-telephone service was back online with correct results at approximately 2:50 p.m. that day.

MNRF Senior Media Relations Officer, Jolanta Kowalski, says that 259 hunters received incorrect information regarding their success in the draw as a result of the error. “The MNRF contacted all individuals affected that we had valid contact information for,” said Kowalski.

Kirk Goldthorp of Oro-Medonte Township was one hunter who initially received incorrect information after calling the line on the morning of August 1.

He is the group leader of 15 moose hunters who hunt in WMU 50. “I was told that I was not successful, but that a group member was issued a bull tag in WMU 50,” said Goldthorp.

He says he discovered there appeared to be an error after he held a meeting with the group and no one possessed a bull-validation tag.

He then called back to the MNRF automated line on August 6 to discover that the message had been changed and no one in his group had been successful.

Confused by the contradiction, he called the MNRF main switchboard the next day and was placed on hold for nearly an hour before being directed to a staff member involved in the draw.

“They were understanding. At that time they told me there were other people that expressed concerns, and it was being raised at the Minister’s level,” he said.

He also spoke to a staff member at MPP Doug Downey’s (Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte) office and the MNRF after that. In both cases, he requested either a refund of money for the draw or a bull tag issued for the group.

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On September 11, he received word from the MNRF that neither request would be accommodated. A spokesperson for the Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry, Jeff Yurek, said, “It would have been inappropriate for the Minister to intervene.”

On September 12, MPP Downey’s office told him “You won’t get any money back unless you can prove you booked hotel rooms, etc. as a result of the error.”

Goldthorp said he is concerned because he never received an initial call to correct the error but also because he feels customer service was lacking in the process. “I’m a customer and they made an error and I’m not satisfied by the resolution.”

Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters Manager of Policy, Mark Ryckman, said, “Every year there are some avoidable technical issues with the moose draw itself and/or the surplus moose-draw telephone line. We are in constant contact with the MNRF to communicate the concerns of anglers and hunters. The system has improved a little bit but there are improvements that can still be made.”

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  1. Bj brear wrote: Hi there I do have comments about the Moose Draw I've been applying in the Moose Draw since I've been 17 years old and I'm 37 now and I have never ever got an adult Moose tag and we hunt area 47 and this deer season we seen six moose and three days different moose and they say there is no moose in 47
  2. Ron Chmara wrote: I am still not showing any moose draw result yet my account correctly reflects I purchased a moose licence. It is impossible to get through to the MNR phone lines.
  3. Brian Benford wrote: What a crap show trying to find out if we were successful in the Ontario moose draw. It almost seems that the Ontario government is trying to make it so difficult for avid non native hunters to even get information on hunting, so we give up hunting moose all together. I'm 66 and have been hunting all my life, but with all this bull I'm going to throw in the towel on donationing any more money to this farce. Until the government gets the balls to address the real reason why the moose population is dropping, the numbers will continue to drop. And more of us true honest hunters will spend the fall fishing. Oh dam we probably aren't allowed to do that either. Signed feed up Brian
  4. Paul Hisey wrote: What’s best way for our camp of 14 members to apply for a bull tag this year ? 1 application for largest group size or small groups of 2 members 7 applications??