Problems with mass vaccination during a pandemic

[fishfood]

If you want people to take you seriously don't use anything with fact check in the web address or title. These are hits pieces with some counter argument sprinkled in, that should be a big red flag...can we stick to the facts please?

I can see the problems in these counter arguments, can you?

I clicked the fact checker and it's story is not the same they are twisting his words around lol.

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[Moosehead]

If you want people to take you seriously don't use anything with fact check in the web address or title. These are hits pieces with some counter argument sprinkled in, that should be a big red flag...can we stick to the facts please?

I can see the problems in these counter arguments, can you?

Yes, there are problems with issues in both your video and the articles I found - because we are in unknown territory with this pandemic and questions will remain on the future - nobody has a crystal ball.

Forgive me if I am a skeptic regarding the voice of one doctor from YouTube or Facebook. As a rule, I would rather read a science article from an accredited University like McGill or Harvard or from the Lancet than an opinion from a random physician on social media, no matter who they are. I respect your curiosity and your freedom of choice to make your decisions on this matter. I will exercise my Charter rights to do the same.

[Badenoch]

Yes, there are problems with issues in both your video and the articles I found - because we are in unknown territory with this pandemic and questions will remain on the future - nobody has a crystal ball.

Forgive me if I am a skeptic regarding the voice of one doctor from YouTube or Facebook. As a rule, I would rather read a science article from an accredited University like McGill or Harvard or from the Lancet than an opinion from a random physician on social media, no matter who they are. I respect your curiosity and your freedom of choice to make your decisions on this matter. I will exercise my Charter rights to do the same.

Thanks for that McGill link. It's very comprehensive in explaining why Vaden Bossche is out to lunch. Also, he's not a physician but a veterinarian.

Here's another view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyQ...hannel=ZDoggMD

[fishfood]

Why is it Canada says we need to be 75 percent of the first dose and 20 percent fully vaccinated before we can begin to loosen the restrictions.


They are pretty much saying the only way to a bit normal live is if you get the vaccine.



Many places in the USA are fully open and they are not 50 percent vaccinated .

The Roadmap life after vaccines is a joke. Using an experimental vaccine to threaten us to getting back to normal. Hundreds of front line workers have denied the vaccine in northern Ontario and hundreds of thousands in the USA.

Normally they wouldn't be able to work it there was an outbreak but then they wouldn't have the people to work so what are they going to do.


You better get that shot if you want to go camping this year or see your friend's and family. In limited numbers tho if everyone gets their vaccine we can open just like we did last year without it.


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[GW11]

Thanks for that McGill link. It's very comprehensive in explaining why Vaden Bossche is out to lunch. Also, he's not a physician but a veterinarian.

Here's another view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyQ...hannel=ZDoggMD

Indeed. Remember when vaccines used to be tested on animals first?

Hence, veterinarians.

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[Jakezilla]

Thanks for that McGill link. It's very comprehensive in explaining why Vaden Bossche is out to lunch. Also, he's not a physician but a veterinarian.

Here's another view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyQ...hannel=ZDoggMD

Are you kidding? I am embarrassed for you, that's 16 min of my life I won't get back. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. I am guessing you didn't watch the original interview. I apologize if you did watch it and if you did, then I have to question your comprehension abilities.

[Jakezilla]

Yes, there are problems with issues in both your video and the articles I found - because we are in unknown territory with this pandemic and questions will remain on the future - nobody has a crystal ball.

Forgive me if I am a skeptic regarding the voice of one doctor from YouTube or Facebook. As a rule, I would rather read a science article from an accredited University like McGill or Harvard or from the Lancet than an opinion from a random physician on social media, no matter who they are. I respect your curiosity and your freedom of choice to make your decisions on this matter. I will exercise my Charter rights to do the same.

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical. I am skeptical as well and with that comes the desire for answers. To get answers both sides need to be explored. I am looking but all the counters I see to Geert are riddled false equivalencies, missing details to their arguments and character assassination

Without going line by line and clip by clip these are the issues I see.

Firstly, when your argument engages in character assassination your argument loses credibility. If your argument is sound it should be able to stand on its own merits.

So here are the main issues and my understanding of them.

This is a new technology and in that light Geert ideas are just a theory and so are the rebuttals. In the rebuttals they reference regular vaccines so there we have a false equivalency.

When they are referring to leaky vaccines again we are in new territory and dealing with theories on both side because we have never used this technology before. Everyone running around with 1 dose should be considered much more leaky (based on efficacy stated by the manufacturers) than the leaky vaccines referred to in the counter arguments. So again a false equivalency.

So we have people with 1 dose running around at 60% efficacy. So during this time they contract the virus, mount a weak response driving mutations and immune escape. Think about how far they are pushing out second doses or the amount of people that will never get a second dose. The lockdowns also prolong the presence of the virus in a population which is also a driver of mutations. We are turning the planet into one big gain of function laboratory.

Now when we get to immune response again it is theory on both sides. Geert's idea is that the immune response created by the vaccine is very specific instead of a broad immune response mounted by natural infection. Now later on if you have been vaccinated and are challenged with a variant your immune system will recall the response from the vaccine and these bodies will outcompete your natural immune response. He theorizes that if the variant is far enough from the vaccine base you will essentially be defenseless against the variant.

There was also discussion of mutation rate. The rebuttals just say that COVID mutates at a slower rate than regular coronaviruses but they never give that rate. I believe Geert put the rate at around 10hrs (have to review the interview). The rebuttals not giving the rate is suspicious, it sounds like they are addressing it but leaving details out deliberately to support their argument. I believe Geert actually makes the point that the variants are appearing at such speed that we cannot possibly create the vaccines fast enough or distribute them fast enough to deal with all the variants in time.

In the end Geert's logic is sound and if you follow the likes of Bret Weinstein he lays it out pretty good. Both sides are taking the knowledge that is out there and putting together theories to guess what may happen because so much of this is uncharted territory. The way that the rebuttals were written with lack of details, false equivalencies and character assassination really erodes their arguments.

[WillieBeno]

Are you kidding? I am embarrassed for you, that's 16 min of my life I won't get back. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. I am guessing you didn't watch the original interview. I apologize if you did watch it and if you did, then I have to question your comprehension abilities.

The guys a qauck, comments were entertaining 3.5k likes 8.6k dislikes.

[Badenoch]

Are you kidding? I am embarrassed for you, that's 16 min of my life I won't get back. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. I am guessing you didn't watch the original interview. I apologize if you did watch it and if you did, then I have to question your comprehension abilities.

LOL. My comprehension is just fine thanks for asking. I presented it as an alternative view to a whacked out Dutch veterinarian who has been soundly and roundly refuted by everyone except for reactionary malcontents.

[Jakezilla]

LOL. My comprehension is just fine thanks for asking. I presented it as an alternative view to a whacked out Dutch veterinarian who has been soundly and roundly refuted by everyone except for reactionary malcontents.

So you watched the original interview and think your link is a credible alternative view? I am asking an honest question here.