The outcome of today

[canadaman30]

Today, Harris serves as the Chair of the Board for Chartwell Retirement Residences.[64] During the Covid-19 pandemic in Canada, Chartwell was one of the three "for profit retirement homes that had "far worse COVID-19 outcomes than public facilities." These three also "paid out $1.5 billion to shareholders over the last decade."

Why be jealous of a smart successful businessman and great leader.
Are you sleeping, BTW its 2020, I understand defeat is hard for liberals, but still sore over that one eh, wow longtime....lol.
You have to admit anybody unknowing of Trudeau, watching the water bottle talk would ask "who is that idiot"?..lol

[mosquito]

Ignore him .... remember the kind that Lib's admire ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk

But it is amazing... the Lib supporters can always find an issue with the Conservative that tries to fix the spending, the waste and the coruption the Liberals put in place... even if the Liberals were in power for a decade after that.... Let's try some facts instead.... we know CBC and the Star won't have anything full explanations only censored "facts"...

81% of COVID-19 deaths in Canada were in long-term care – nearly double OECD average
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...or-ltc-deaths/

Let's see ...
https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/heal...quebec/#c63039

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/heal...quebec/#c63035
1,189 new cases, bringing the total number of people infected to 130,888.
The data also report 32 new deaths, for a total of 6,806.

Today's data
Canada 325,711 +4,992 11,406 +72

So given today's numbers, Quebec is responsible for 1/3 the total cases and over 1/2 the deaths....
"Quebec accounts for 24% of Canada's total population."
So obviously out of portion and mostly in Montreal... ah that much admired province that bans Alberta oil and takes Saudi oil, Montreal that dumps it's raw sewage and is thought by some to be the most important part of Canada with people that are better than the rest of Canada... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA1yCIHMJwY

By age in Quebec we see 95% of the deaths are 60+... or 90+% over 70 for the Wuhan Pneumonia.
60-69 years 5.9
70-79 years 18.6
80-89 years 39.7
90 years or more 33.0


Now as to why... for the deaths, Quebec has probably the highest number of seniors with Do Not Resuscitate and Do Not Hospitalize orders I have heard over and over so this piece fits.

"Some would suggest that the large number Covid-19 deaths in nursing homes is due to the age or other health condition of those who died. I am convinced that there are other factors.

Some treatment protocols dictate that residents in a nursing home will not be transferred to the hospital, even when the hospital has the treatment capacity to care for them, leaving them far more likely to die.

Many residents or their families have stated, in a health care directive, that they would not want treatment or that they would not want to be sent to the hospital for treatment and that they would only want "comfort care" measures. "


While areas in Ontario... still bad in long term care considering age in the morbidity and comorbidity.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

When you look at the tables of the numbers instead of the graph it starts to look like ... why??? Other than the Toronto and Peel regions it is ridiculous for a lockdown and even then the death rates are less than 1/3 of April and May numbers... the numbers that matter are the deaths and precautions should be taken with the vulnerable but the premise that the lockdown is needed for all of Ontario seems thin at best. Ontario hospital capacity is usually high..

https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2020

In 2019-20, there were 141 public hospitals serving the province, with around 34,700 beds. Of these beds, 22,400 were acute care beds, which included 2,012 beds configured for critical care.[1]
The average occupancy rate of the Province’s acute care beds was 96 per cent in 2018-19, including approximately 28 hospitals where the average occupancy rate for the year was over 100 per cent.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...em/ar-BB1b9Ub8
"There are now 150 patients in Ontario intensive care units being treated for COVID-19, according to a Thursday morning report to critical care stakeholders, which means the province has hit a key threshold that makes it harder for hospitals to support other patients and procedures.

The metric comes from a Critical Care Services Ontario report, obtained by CBC News, which is based on an end-of-day Wednesday tally of adults in ICUs with COVID-19-related critical illness."

150... for all of Ontario? Samaritan's Purse setup field hospitals in New York and Italy that were over 50 respirator patients and all of Ontario is stressed out at 150??? So much so it is interfering with other essential medical activities ... either some of the same "skill" as the ones that sent the PPE to China are involved and they are incompetent or this isn't as serious as they keep telling us.... I mean if they can house refugees in a hotel then it should be simple to take a couple medium sized hotels and convert to hospital units or the other way, take care of the patients needing something but NOT the Wuhan Pneumonia.


So who is really to blame... well I know my doctor for several years had signs about Liberal health care cuts up ... well Wynne comes up...
https://torontosun.com/2015/01/28/wy...n-patients-oma

Oh... and Trudeau in this 2018 article
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...turns-a-corner
Adding to the problem are Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cuts. Federal health transfers to provinces are about 20% of total public health-care funding. Since 2016, transfers have been falling behind inflation and population growth.

Health-care funding data, reported here on an inflation-adjusted and per person basis, are all from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) — our official health data agency.

And the CIHI data shows interesting differences between provinces — particularly Ontario and Alberta.

Last week in Ontario, only 10 weeks before an election, Premier Kathleen Wynne had a deathbed conversion, suddenly announcing more money for health care after years of cuts.
Since 2010, her Liberals have cut health-care funding by 5%. They’ve cut health care every year — except last election year, 2014. Fooled once, Ontarians now have the lowest public funding for health care in Canada.

[fishermccann]

Ignore him. Those that elected the liberals disagree.

[MikePal]

Those that elected the liberals disagree.

Faced with the glaring facts that past Liberal budgets are at the core of the Hospital problems in the province and how a pandemic hitting the city has made that very evident, maybe now the immigrant support the Liberal enjoy in Toronto will turn their backs on them the next election.

Thanks Mosquito for digging up and posting the truth. The three stooges on here are living a lie and don't want to hear it, but the rest of us like the vindication that what they say is nonsense.

[fishermccann]

I am constantly amused and bemused, by the tremendous effort put in by so many on here to refute the assertions of such a small group group of dissenters. Who are you trying to convince .....3 guys? Why? We must really get in your head. We won't change, and your efforts will have no affect on the election. I have never, (except on this site), seen so many people, so wound up and agitated about something that they have no control over. Liberals will be in power after the next federal election, and likely with a majority. Carry on....

[MikePal]

I am constantly amused and bemused, by the effort put in by so many on here to refute the assertions of such a small group group of dissenters.

For a guy with 90% of your posts containing political rhetoric, we all know it's all about the trolling. You like to be 'amused' by posting nonsense and having people refute it. It's your idea of fun..we get it.

A lot of members have you on 'ignore' so as not to waste their time reading the crap you post, probably the best solution but that would ruin your fun.

[3030]

well when the Visa and Mastercard are maxed out what do you expect.I guess you apply for American express card

[Gilroy]

I am constantly amused and bemused, by the tremendous effort put in by so many on here to refute the assertions of such a small group group of dissenters. Who are you trying to convince .....3 guys? Why? We must really get in your head. We won't change, and your efforts will have no affect on the election. I have never, (except on this site), seen so many people, so wound up and agitated about something that they have no control over. Liberals will be in power after the next federal election, and likely with a majority. Carry on....

Yes they are in a constant state of depression,gloom and doom, who the heck would with vote with these guys.Keep up the good work fishermccann, the narrative that they are only a few of us on here is as false as their fake news.It does not jive with the election results of the past few elections.Heck even the NDP just got back with a landslide in B.C. Dinosaurs watching the incoming Liberal comet.Oh they tried to suppress our votes (robo calls) they tried to hold back us posting on this forum,but the truth always comes forth and the good people always win,just like the U.S. election .

[Gilroy]

For a guy with 90% of your posts containing political rhetoric, we all know it's all about the trolling. You like to be 'amused' by posting nonsense and having people refute it. It's your idea of fun..we get it.

A lot of members have you on 'ignore' so as not to waste their time reading the crap you post, probably the best solution but that would ruin your fun.

Fortunately you don't get to say who ignores who on this forum, you only speak for yourself, you should know better than to try and tell other forum members what they should say or do.Not happening.

[fishermccann]

It is a bully tactic , and they get upset when others won't give in and let it happen. I have always stood up to bullies, and will continue to do so on here, even if outnumbered.