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As of this morning the CDC (USA) has almost 16,000 negative events reported in its database directly linked to covid-19 vaccines.
You can set filters and drill down to deaths and permanent injuries by age groups...etc.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/da...&measure=D8.M1
https://i.imgur.com/U1aOSo7.jpg
Notice the disclaimers in the second paragraph regarding "incomplete,inaccurate,coincidental and unverified data" which makes this largely useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
The input into the database is from medical professionals. You are welcome to ignore and take the vaccine.
Don’t have time to fiddle. Might later.
Question.
How many and how serious are the adverse affects when the recipient has a “comorbidity”. Assuming a fair to high percentage. Skewed data and an agenda?
If you trust those numbers then that is less than 16,000 out of 213,000,000 doses given, that is not a very significant number at all.
That is way less then any other Vaccine then the Vaccines you were given as children
Giving a 95 yr old women a shot in the arm and she dies 4 days later..what gets recorded ??? Medical files leave a lot to interpretation.
Besides, .007% reactions to a vaccine is insignificant...
The stats are for the US. ? 65 million doses divided by 2. So, 32.5 million people have received a useless mRNA injection....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
From Moderna themselves....
"The Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID‑19) for use in individuals 18 years of age and older. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID‑19."
"The EUA for the Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine is in effect for the duration of the COVID‑19 EUA declaration justifying emergency use of the product, unless the declaration is terminated or the authorization is revoked sooner."
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/
I will pass on the poison. Bill Gates won't be getting any profits from this guy..lol
His 20 to 1 profit from the covid vaccine they have been trying to make it the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
His best investment yet LoL.
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16000 out of 32500000 equates to about 1 in 2000 or 0.05 percent. Over the counter aspirin comes in at 1 to 2 percent adverse. That makes the vaccine 20 to 40 times safer than aspirin.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
I like my odds better. 0% chance of the vaccine making me sick.
https://i.imgur.com/7qKurv3.png
So you are now one of the people who is causing the measles to make a come back, so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
That's your perogative. I guess that means you have never taken a prescription or over the counter meds for anything as they almost all have a higher adverse incident rate than the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Even most herbal/homeopathic remedies have more adverse affects. I guess you must avoid those as well.
Assumptions on your part. I did get the seasonal flu vaccine last November. I also take prescription meds and daily vitamins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
No side effects on anything.
My goal is to enlighten people who then should question the vaccine project.
When I read statements involving government agencies like those two, red flags go up.
"We have strategic alliances with Merck on select commercial vaccines, and BARDA and DARPA on global health vaccine programs."
https://www.modernatx.com/modalities...mmuno-oncology
"0 percent chance of getting sick from the vaccine"Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
It is logical to assume if you apply a consistent standard to all medical treatments. They all have risks and most generate adverse affects more frequently than the vaccine.
It is inconsistent on your part to accept the higher risk of adverse affects from other treatments.
Like I said it's your perogative but than seems inconsistent to me if you accept other higher risk treatments especially when you state "0 percent chance."
I have a tendency to read the label before taking any kind of product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
So in that respect I am consistent.
Not liking the fine print on this one.
I'm a man of science.
Do you really trust the politicians with your health?
Impact were you vaccinated as a Kid and if you have kids did you get them vaccinated?
Have you ever looked at the data sheets?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Perhaps instead of only settling for 0 percent risk you mean 0.05 percent risk outweighs any potential benefit.
Than applying risk/benefit analysis on a case by case basis you chose acceptable treatments which regardless of risks posed would allow you to be consistent.
The one problem, how do you apply a consistent standard to these vaccines as they have bypassed the safety standards and testing unlike all other medications? Why do you still have to wear a mask after you've been vaccinated, doesn't add up imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Medicine thats been properly tested and approved, many people are more then willing to take. Many adverse side effects are already known through testing an approval.
These new vaccines have bypassed the standard for approval. Health Canada approved them instantly and the makers have zero liability for their product. Consumer's take at own risk.
I don't believe the whole country will be lining up to become part of an experiment, not myself anyways.
People can decide for themselves whether they want the shot. Those who do can return to a more normal life. Those who don't can remain isolated and not enjoy the freedom of movement and association as the vaccinated. Based on my observations on the anti-vaxx crowd fewer of them circulating in general society will be an improvement. Win-win.
By the way no Vaccine and no Medication has zero risk all have risk and many far greater. I suggest you read the full fact sheets for any meds you currently take. I think you will have to quit taking all medications.
Don't worry , the great unwashed will walk amongst the sheeple. Safe in the concept of herd immunity and not having to be a guinea pig. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Except these aren't the same type of vaccines we got as a kid...Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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Interesting thread given the recent happening I witnessed. Person I knew recieved the vaccine and passed away the following morning. Old, yes but otherwise out and about living without any assistance. The interesting part to this, no autopsy, stamped as a covid death, closed casket as it is unknown if this person could have been contagious..... questions pop into my head on that one I tell you.
We really should think about it. Instead of just being told to shut up and take it.
More questions then answers...
Let’s awaken some people’s minds ...
What happens if you decide to get "vaccinated" (beside the fact that you could end up very sick or even dead)???
Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:
●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"
Goverment: "NO" excuse
●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?
Government: "NO"
●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?"
Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not."
●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?"
Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission."
●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?"
Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage."
● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?"
Government: "NO"
● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?"
Government: "NO"
● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?"
Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you."
●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?"
Government: "NO"
●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?"
Government: "To protect others."
●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?"
Government: "NO"
● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?"
Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug"
So to summarize, the Covid19 "vaccine"...
Does not provide immunity
Does not eliminate the virus
Does not prevent death
Does not guarantee you won’t get it
Does not stop you from passing it on to others
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans
Does not eliminate the need for business closures
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
Does not eliminate to vvgt share...
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https://youtu.be/KZurAqqMI-E
I urge everyone to watch the video to the end.
Once you acknowledge that those who are pushing the covid bs from the top are criminals, it's much easier to understand the things that dont make sense.
That video says it's private.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
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That's awful Oaknut, sorry to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
There was a brief segment in this article (written before vaccines were on the scene) that suggested in a roundabout way that the immune response itself may be too much for an elderly person's body to handle. Basically, the same thing that might protect us younger folks (previous exposure to other coronaviruses) could in fact be deadly to the elderly if the were either infected or vaccinated. I had posted it in another thread but here it is in case you didn't read that one.
"Does the Common Cold Protect You from COVID-19? | The Scientist Magazine[emoji2400]" https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...-19--67792/amp
"Thiel points out that reactive T cells could even produce the opposite result—a detrimental immune response that ultimately harms the patient, for example, when someone experiences excessive inflammation or an inability to clear the virus. “Maybe particularly in the old people, having such cross-reactive T cells could be bad,” he suggests."
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It's like everything else, the government will force you into compliance. No vaccination forget about crossing the border. Kids aren't vaccinated they won't be going to school, playing sports. Health care employment, vaccination required. No worries, by the time this government gets us vaccinated we'll have the whole worlds data to study.
^^Most true statement in the entire thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by warpipe
The vaccines effects are being studied.
My specialty is diagnostic imaging and I can tell you that this report is very troubling.
Vaccine side effects may affect mammograms
"Routine mammograms should be done either before the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or four-to-six weeks after the second dose, the Society for Breast Imaging advises. The vaccines’ temporary side effects can include swollen lymph nodes around the armpits, which could be misread as a possible sign of breast cancer if it turns up on a mammogram. So-called axillary lymphadenopathy is usually seen in only 0.02%-0.04% of screening mammograms, according to the Society’s guidelines. In trials of the Moderna vaccine, the condition developed in 11.6% of participants after the first dose and in 16% after the second dose. Researchers testing the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine did not routinely ask participants about armpit tenderness and lymph node swelling, but some people reported this side effect, which lasted an average of 10 days. More subtle effects on lymph nodes that are evident only on X-rays are likely to last longer, the Society said, although it is not clear yet what vaccination-related lymph node changes would look like. “As more information about the incidence and appearance of axillary lymphadenopathy following COVID-19 vaccination becomes available, it may be appropriate to change the duration of follow-up or final assessment recommendations,” the Society said."
https://ottawasun.com/health/some-co...covid-19-study
NO THANKS.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
I think I will be safer wearing a mask instead...lmao
It’s the end of Feb. I don’t think we’re anywhere close, to having vaccinated front line workers or the at risk. At a guess, mid summer before the gen pop has to decide. I guess if there’s an upside to the Feds bumbling, we will have mountains of data thanks to the rest of the world.
Impact.
My fiancé is screened regularly. Mamograms are of no use. Can’t screen what’s not there :) I’ll let her know about lymph nodes.
Will say, she plans to get it. But is in no rush to join the que
Yup. Anti-vaxx kooks are going to find their activities seriously limited. No international travel, no sporting events, no concerts, no volunteering, no doctors or dentists, maybe not even movies or restaurants. Your vaccination card will be like American Express: "Don't leave home without it." The real benefit will be at the airport. Fewer imbeciles in the security line.Quote:
Originally Posted by warpipe
Eventually this will all pass and anti-vaxx kooks can go back to worrying about EMF, Bill Gates, microchips, fluoride in the water and whether tinfoil is on sale.
Yep, spoken like the propaganda government agent that you truly are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
No substance to your comment except fear mongering.
They (other countries) have already backed down on that rhetoric as it won't hold up to Human rights complaints. Once the pandemic is over they isn't a medical /health emergency they will not have the right restrict activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
And by the way, it's isn't 'anti-vaxxers' who are stepping back, it's people with enough common sense to question a vaccine that has not been used before or thoroughly tested.
But we do thank you for participating in the trails, hope all goes well. :)
So let me get this straight, because a person questions what an obviously lying government tells them, it makes them kooks? Because someone questions what they are being told by someone who is in bed with a Chinese dictator, it makes them a kook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
We have near zero honesty in any level of government at the moment and it makes one a kook to think for themselves.
What anti-vaxx kooks are questioning is decades of scientific research into vaccines and their proven efficacy in saving lives. COVID is just their current hobby horse. They won't take ANY vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
Private companies can set health-related conditions on who enters their property. Public health units can issue orders. Governments can impose restrictions on activities pertaining to health. Nations can definitely limit who enters their territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Millions of people already have been vaccinated. The adverse effects are infinitesimal relative to the adverse effects of being infected with COVID-19.
Ahhh No..mRNA vaccines is NEW technology and is largely untested in the general population...Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
You're not an anti-vaxxers, or a kook as you call them, to questioning the use of this vaccine.
Again..once this 'pandemic is over...there will be NO Health restrictions. It will become a seasonal virus. They will not be able to restrict your movement as there will be NO threat to the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Millions of people have been receiving the vaccine going back almost three months. Adverse effects are infinitesimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
That's only monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Takes a good year or two to see the full effects. We won't know the effects of the vaccine until 2022 or after.
It is only approved for emergency use at the moment . Study's still have to be done .
What if it gets recalled then what?
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I believe it's Israel that has a green card .Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
They are limiting movement depending on your vaccine or if you can prove you have antibodies.
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We are still learning of the adverse affect of Covid, from the 'long timers' as they are known. Problems , months later. By the time they get to me down the road,, I should be more willing to get the shot.
Borris Johnson said last week that they might have to give more vaccines another jab to be safe.
Just keep pumping people full of the crap untill something works. More and more frequently with different types of unknown vaccines. To try to protect them from a mutation virus that changes daily.
Sounds promising not lol.
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There are two passports; .'Inoculation' and 'Immunity' starting to be used around the world. The 'Immunity' one is provided to people who test positive for the anti-bodies their bodies developed from having the virus and recovering.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
No mention of 'Immunity Passports' in Canada yet...the government isn't even interested in knowing how many people have the anti-bodies. ( the same ones the vaccine produces ) that will lead to herd immunity faster than by vaccine alone.
If the government accually stays on plan you could be able to get yours by June or July. If you are in your 60s.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
The plan is to start in March some time and do anyone in the 90s. Then 80 to 70 and so on but the 60s group they plan for the end of June.
That was their plan anyway.
Under the age of 18 is not required to get a vaccine .
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Some people will drink poison if their told to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Unable to think for yourself is a growing trend in society
You mean like trump supporters and bleach. lol.
Because of my age I could have got the vaccine a month ago but thought I'd wait for awhile to let things settle out somewhat - figure I'd get it sometime in May - in the meantime I am staying home and if I go out I wear a mask and stay away from people - hopefully by then there isn't any unexpected adverse reaction taking place to those who got the shot - there is a lot they don't know about this virus and even if you get the shot they aren't sure how long you may have immunity - we may be living different for quite a while and may not return to normal life for a long time - one of my daughters is a nurse - she actually works with Covid patients - she hasn't taken the shot yet - she wears all kind of equipment and clothes when she is at the hospital - some of the nurses at her hospital have taken the shot - others have not - one nurse that got it had to go to the ER because of a reaction -
The one thing that has been difficult is that I had to postpone dental examinations and doctor visits - we just have to live day by day and see what happens
It be at least a year before everyone here is vaccinated sometime in mid to late 2022. Trudeau has really screwed up lots.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Actually because of Trump a million people a day are being vaccinated down south.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
How many people a day is Trudeau vaccinating?
The answer should show you how much Trump cares about his people, and how little care Trudeau has for people like you FC..lol
Trudeau is to busy setting up the globalist with tens of billions of our countries money to fund a reset, instead of working for Canadians.
https://youtu.be/TSNZo9nyulM
True enough, and it seems to all depend on how badly one wants to "get back to normal".Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Being largely unaffected by pandemic life (aside from staying home last summer with the kids, pretty rough...haha) I'm not in any hurry for "normal". Many of those things I might not be able to do if I don't get a vaccine I don't like doing anyway, so I'm not concerned about getting it. I'm not at risk from covid.
If people have a problem with me not getting an experimental vaccine "for their sake", that's their problem. I got my shots as a kids. Did not get the H1N1 vaccine, don't get flu shots, will not get this one either.
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I do not trust Politicians but I do trust science. Fortunately, for us Canadians, Lord Emperor Justinius has fumbled on vaccine delivery so we can watch science at work in places like the UK and Israel.
I would suggest avoiding social media like the plague and look at articles from scientific journals and reports from medical universities, not Facebook or Twitter. If you get all your information about COVID from Dr. Nick Riviera's Facebook rant I think your information may be incorrect. Sure, mainstream media is not always reliable, so check the source of their information. Is it someone's opinion, or is it a study from an expert from the Mayo Clinic or Harvard University....
Anyway, by the time we hear gobbling in the woods and the blackflies are out, we will see whether or not vaccines are worth the trouble. The world science experiment is well underway in other countries with far more cases than Canada. Remember Polio? I dont. That's because I got vaccinated as a kid. Lets give this a chance and avoid conspiracy theories and un-supported scientific evidence.
I remember when Polio was around - knew some kids that died from it - some that had it when they were young became crippled later in life - when I was a kid I got the vaccine on a cube of sugar - the one thing that happened was some kids were getting Polio after getting the vaccine - some dying - what happened was one supplier of the vaccine wasn't making it right and those who got their vaccine were given life virus - so you hope that something like that doesn't happen with this vaccine -
Funny some here telling the forum, people will be restricted, kids can't go to school if you's refuse to take vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Kinda have to laugh as kids are going to school as we speak. We've been free to travel since the start..lol
Still can't wrap my head around the fact after you've been vaccinated, you still have to wear a mask. Think I will pass on the venom and continue to keep myself safer with just a mask..
...and kids can't even get these vaccines, not that they need them anyway. Kids are more or less unaffected by coronaviruses because they pass other coronaviruses around all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Guess it never occurred to some here that kids go to school without flu shots, and all early indications of vaccine performance now suggest that variants will require constant updates. At the current vaccine deployment rate, it's hard to see a scenario where vaccines outpace mutations, especially so with vaccines that really only prevent "serious illness" and don't sterilize the virus (100% efficiency). Can't see it happening. We look like a dog chasing its tail. The virus will run its course regardless, and we're quite possibly driving the creation of new variants with our efforts to control it. Here is a study where multiple variants developed in one person alone during the course of his treatment between May and August last year when he died.
"Are We Creating Immune Resistant Variants Of SARS-CoV-2?" https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...ars-cov-2/amp/
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They are mutating way faster. More new variants found in New York like or similar to the South African variants . The vaccines are becoming Less effective against these new variants. The treatment is becoming less effective every week.
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Here is an explanation on how influenza occurs every year with its variants.
Notice how the seasonal flu has disappeared from the general population?
That is because they are purposely labelling everything as covid-19.
Fear mongering in order to have people take the experimental / non FDA approved vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm
"Of all the influenza viruses that routinely circulate and cause illness in people, influenza A(H3N2) viruses tend to change more rapidly, both genetically and antigenically. Influenza A(H3N2) viruses have formed many separate, genetically different clades in recent years that continue to co-circulate."
"Seasonal flu vaccines do not protect against influenza C or D viruses. In addition, flu vaccines will NOT protect against infection and illness caused by other viruses that also can cause influenza-like symptoms. There are many other viruses besides influenza that can result in influenza-like illness (ILI) that spread during flu season."
"Commercially available influenza diagnostic tests do not specifically detect novel influenza A viruses and a positive result for influenza A virus cannot distinguish seasonal influenza A virus from avian or swine influenza A virus infections."
"Detection of influenza virus antigen does not necessarily indicate detection of viable infectious virus or on-going influenza viral replication."
"Notably, the detection of influenza viral RNA or nucleic acids by these assays does not necessarily indicate detection of viable infectious virus or on-going influenza viral replication. It is important to note that not all assays have been cleared by the FDA for diagnostic use."
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...ng-methods.htm
Here in Ontario this person runs the covid testing show. Why was the mRNA originally developed?
Dr. Vanessa Allen | Medical Director, Provincial Diagnostic Network
"Dr. Allen is responsible for medical leadership of the Provincial Diagnostic Network. This includes providing clinical and scientific advice and recommendations with respect to COVID-19 testing."
"She is a medical microbiologist and clinical infectious disease specialist, serving as Chief of Microbiology and Laboratory Science at Public Health Ontario since 2013."
" Her public health contributions and research have focused on strategies to combat antimicrobial resistance primarily in the areas of bacterial sexually transmitted infections and enteric pathogens, and the implementation and evaluation of the use of novel methods such as genomics, artificial intelligence and point of care testing to advance infectious disease and public health response."
https://www.ontariohealth.ca/COVID-1...types-of-tests
At least one cruise line has announced a mandatory vaccination requirement when they start sailing again.
https://www.crystalcruises.com/advis...e-requirement?
Expect this trend to grow. No shot, no travel.Quote:
(W)e have made the decision that guests must be fully inoculated with a COVID-19 vaccine (with both doses if recommended by the manufacturer) at least 14 days prior to boarding any Crystal ship and will be asked to provide proof of vaccination before embarkation.
The population boycotts that business. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Fair enough. Your money. I do bet that there will be enough customers, with the shot, that they will stay afloat. If all airlines, cruse ships, vacation destinations, insist on the shot, those without, will not be welcome. Your choice.
Do they have a vaccine for Norwalk virus ..other wise I wouldn't set food inside one of those floating petri dishes HaHa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Mandate has been sent out from Fords office to many private businesses that work with other people regarding vaccination. It looks like a tiered situation depending on whom you work with. Buddy was told to take his pick, get the shot or stay home, unpaid.
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My expectation is more consumers will demand the shot be required before going on a cruise or flight than otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
My prediction is that the law of consumer demand will take effect. The people will soon seek accountability from the corrupt government officials.
You cannot poison the mind and bodies of the population indefinitely.
Unless they have a 'conspiracy theory', cruise. A boat filled with like minded individuals. Just have to find someone willing to work on the ship. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
I generally know that I hit a sensitive and truthful subject when the resident government trolls try and derail the thread.
Keep at it boys and bump it up. The more views, the better!
Which government?
Back on track.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
That's what will happen. Once the pandemic is declared over (down grated to endemic) Heath Canada/Ontario will lose their 'emergency measure' powers and life will return more normalcy.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Without government support (by-laws etc) private places will be on their own. If they want to restrict their clients/customers they will have to deal with that themselves . ie: no power to fine or arrest.
ie: a hairstylist may want to see your 'passport' before she allows you to sit in her chair. But she may face a wrath from people who have natural immunity from surviving the virus and no government issued 'immunity' passport. She may then face problems with a Charter challenge do to restrictions of rights and freedoms and privacy issues. I would get nasty.
I don't think many small business will restrict access by the end of the summer and the cases have dropped to single digits in some areas as we approach the % required for herd immunity .