US v/s Them... (us?)

[seabast]

Blue' - man I don't know where to begin - it would take me all day to fully answer your comments - briefly - there wouldn't be a British Commonwealth if the US didn't enter the war against Germany when it did - England was on its knees during WWII and Churchill knew it and said so - it was initially the US's aid that kept England alive and than our superior military power that won the war - without it England would not exist today

Sure Canada has a small military but it is no where near enough to protect itself from a power like Russia - there are a lot of countries throughout the world that depend on the US for protection today - I could list them all but don't have the time -

Yes the US fought the communist in several places and stood up to them otherwise you would be under communist rule today - at end of WWII we were the most powerful country on this earth - we were the only country with the Bomb if we had any intention of taking over the world nobody could have stopped us - so it wasn't money that caused us to get involved

And then finally - the US has enough water - between the oil, coal and gas we have more than enough energy for our needs - maybe you don't know it but we are now exporting all three of these energy sources - we are basically self sufficient - expect maybe for maple syrup and bacon from Canada -

You invaded Irak in 2003 and as of today it's still a mess so where is the victory?
You might decimate an army but that's about it. Peoles will always fight the invader, that's called "Terorism".

If it wasn't about money why the US and others let the German build up an army after the first war, when there were not supposed to (Treaty of Versailles)? You really think no one knew what was going to happen?! It's always happen money.....

[JBen]

avoiding this one, largely because the world is rarely black or white. Normally grey. For those chirping about the US, Joe has valid points. Not the least of which is.
Much of our life/wealth is due to the US..their foreign policy. Further Anyone naïve enough to think it's anyone but the US keeping others at bay or in the North.........

however.
Re WWII. While it's true the US "saved" the world. It wasn't your military power Joe. Virtually all historians (outside Hollywood) agree, 1) your equipment was poor and not up to snuff 2) Most of your generals about the same. The difference was your industrial might, and ability to mass produce, cheap but lots of it. Kinda like China today

Further, you sat on the sidelines for years. Let the commonwealth take it on the chin for years. In short you let the heavy weights beat the snot out of each other (see why your industrial might turned it around). Had you gone toe to toe with the Nazis for years while the commonwealth sat on the sidelines...You'd a been in dire straights to....

As for the rest.
/pass
We sure are smug for a country that owes a lot to the US. Incuding much of our present wealth/way of life. In some ways we like the US back in WWII like to sit on the sidelines, reap all the benefits of US foreign policy...........and when it suits us, look down our noses.

Shades of grey

[Bluebulldog]

Bluebulldog,
.the list goes on, and is a disservice to those who serve us

Do a little digging 73, I was one of them.

[fishermccann]

JB , I agree with most of what you say, we do owe them a lot, but the reason some people dislike Americans is their ATTITUDE. ps . my step-grandfather was an American and he had it in spades.

[Bluebulldog]

Blue' - man I don't know where to begin - it would take me all day to fully answer your comments - briefly - there wouldn't be a British Commonwealth if the US didn't enter the war against Germany when it did - England was on its knees during WWII and Churchill knew it and said so - it was initially the US's aid that kept England alive and than our superior military power that won the war - without it England would not exist today

Sure Canada has a small military but it is no where near enough to protect itself from a power like Russia - there are a lot of countries throughout the world that depend on the US for protection today - I could list them all but don't have the time -

Yes the US fought the communist in several places and stood up to them otherwise you would be under communist rule today - at end of WWII we were the most powerful country on this earth - we were the only country with the Bomb if we had any intention of taking over the world nobody could have stopped us - so it wasn't money that caused us to get involved

And then finally - the US has enough water - between the oil, coal and gas we have more than enough energy for our needs - maybe you don't know it but we are now exporting all three of these energy sources - we are basically self sufficient - expect maybe for maple syrup and bacon from Canada -

Ah, see...there you go....

"I would answer your post with fact....but don't have time....."

Translation: You'd actually have to d a lot more digging and fabricating to justify your position.

No one said that the US didn't contribute to the success in WWII. But you're basing our current relations on the state of the world as it stood 0ver 70 years ago? REALLY?!. Gee Joe, here's a fact for you, at the conclusion of WWII, Canada had the worlds 3rd largest Navy....go ahead, look it up.....

You really have drunk the Kool Aid. "If the US hadn't fought the communists we would be under communist rule today".....yeah, sure. Show anyone how that sounds credible outside the McCarthy era USA... Oh right, I'm sure the USSR would have just kept right on marching through South Vietnam, or South Korea, right on across to where we are.... well Cuba was, and is communist, and despite your Countries Bay of Pigs fiasco.....seems to continue to be, and hasn't invaded nearby Haiti, etc.

Your country does not have enough energy reserves, resources, nor enough arable farmland to effectively look after its own needs. Asserting that you're self sufficient, is fallacy, but then why point out fact, since you obviously are content to drive off the cliff being willfully ignorant.

You referenced for a poster to educate themselves on history, ok...look up the fall of the Roman empire, vis-a-vis dependence on outside elements, resources, immigrant labour, war as a means of economic growth... You're living it pal, complete with the bad hairdo on Donald Trump replicating every bad performance ever to take place in an amphitheater.

Since you don't like doing research to fact check...here's a little bedtime reading.

http://americanresources.org/u-s-min...spell-trouble/

https://www.aei.org/publication/dang...-raw-material/

http://www.cfr.org/oil/timeline-oil-...-policy/p24322

http://www.navalreview.ca/wp-content...l5num3art2.pdf

[JBen]

Shades of grey G.
Also, don't over look the power of the media and Hollywood.

Some societies firmly believe the West is Satan or that their emperor is the descendant of the Sun goddess. Some societies grow up fed a steady diet of John Wayne and saving private Ryan.

[Bluebulldog]

JB , I agree with most of what you say, we do owe them a lot, but the reason some people dislike Americans is their ATTITUDE. ps . my step-grandfather was an American and he had it in spades.

Look guys....I'm not anti-American. I've got several friends and family that are. But I also have a problem with arrogance, and ignorance, coming from anyone.....and for the record, I didn't want to hijack this thread, but Joe-Pa definitely started it.

[werner.reiche]

...Your country does not have enough energy reserves, resources, nor enough arable farmland to effectively look after its own needs. Asserting that you're self sufficient, is fallacy, but then why point out fact, since you obviously are content to drive off the cliff being willfully ignorant....

There's a little ignorance about the US of A right there.^^^^

The US has always been able to grow its own food.

As for oil, have a look at this.

http://energy.gov/maps/us-crude-oil-...es-net-imports

[JBen]

Also Joe, re the "rise of the US" following WWII.

When you sit on the sidelines for years, let others beat the snot out of each other....Well basically the rest of the world was knocked back into the stone ages and had to rebuild entire cities.
London
Moscow
Berlin
To name 3.

The US?
Well you took it on the chin in Pearl harbor.....but did it take a couple decades to rebuild?

The benefits I guess of sitting on the sidelines and being half a world away.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...on&FORM=IQFRML

[Bluebulldog]

...Your country does not have enough energy reserves, resources, nor enough arable farmland to effectively look after its own needs. Asserting that you're self sufficient, is fallacy, but then why point out fact, since you obviously are content to drive off the cliff being willfully ignorant....

There's a little ignorance about the US of A right there.^^^^

The US has always been able to grow its own food.

As for oil, have a look at this.

http://energy.gov/maps/us-crude-oil-...es-net-imports

Werner, the US has been able historically to grow its own food, sure. Their exports outpace their imports, but to be fair, the make up of those exports, vs. what they are importing is important. Export of raw goods, import of finished and processed goods. It doesn't necessarily mean they're "self reliant".

Neither does showing oil production vs. demand really indicate self sufficiency either. It's their reserves, and their ability to exist without bringing in resources from outside their borders.