What a winter?

[patvetzal]

I just look at all the record breaking floods, cold spells, heat waves that are happening around the world and can't help that think things are changing...climate OR weather.

[terrym]

Of course things are changing. They always have and always will regardless of the arrogance of those who think they can control it. Man did not cause the end of the ice age yet it happened, why is that? There was a time when reptiles roamed most of the planet, man did not cool the climate and cause species to disappear. Climate change rhetoric is a very lucrative industry but it isn't changing how our planet is evolving and never will. Of course we need to reverse our destructive footprint but the crap spewed by the alarmists is just crapp.

[Oddmott]

Of course we need to reverse our destructive footprint but the crap spewed by the alarmists is just crapp.

Another beautiful example of suckin while blowin.

Sorry, but the "alarmists" are simply saying we need to stop our destruction, and make every effort to reverse that which has already been done.

While folks like you say "no we don't" and "we don't have the power to affect earth / climate / blah blah" and "Well those other guys across the pond are using way dirtier technology, so why should we improve anything until they do?"

While some of the extreme claims of cause/effect in various realms of climate change have been ludicrous. They're no more ludicrous than those who claim that humans don't have the ability to affect climate change.

FFS, it's simple math that our atmosphere is made up of a particular set of molecules, in a particular mix. Change that mix by a particular degree, and hold it there for a particular time and you're going to see cascading changes. But yes, the scope is so huge that the changes aren't noticeable in a human lifespan... so the naysayers get to cling to the belief that it's just "normal" change, not accelerated change.

Another example of climate altering damage humans are very easily capable of is current-altering building in seaways and along oceanic coasts. We look at these things as simple improvements for human & cargo transportation safety, or storm & weather safety improvements for land based populations... but scientists are only just now realizing just how much we've altered various ocean & sea currents since the 1920s and comprehending the affect that altering or diverting a current has on weather AND climate.

Anyone who knows anything about the basics of climate & weather knows just how important currents & tides are to the balance.

[werner.reiche]

Another example of climate altering damage humans are very easily capable of is current-altering building in seaways and along oceanic coasts. We look at these things as simple improvements for human & cargo transportation safety, or storm & weather safety improvements for land based populations... but scientists are only just now realizing just how much we've altered various ocean & sea currents since the 1920s and comprehending the affect that altering or diverting a current has on weather AND climate.

Anyone who knows anything about the basics of climate & weather knows just how important currents & tides are to the balance.

I spent 20 years working with marine modelling (sea ice and icebergs) - Humans modifying ocean currents? Never heard that before - and I'm not sure how we could even do it if we tried. Panama canal maybe? But there is insignificant flow through it.

Another beautiful example of suckin while blowin.

Sorry, but the "alarmists" are simply saying we need to stop our destruction, and make every effort to reverse that which has already been done.

While folks like you say "no we don't" and "we don't have the power to affect earth / climate / blah blah" and "Well those other guys across the pond are using way dirtier technology, so why should we improve anything until they do?"

While some of the extreme claims of cause/effect in various realms of climate change have been ludicrous. They're no more ludicrous than those who claim that humans don't have the ability to affect climate change.

FFS, it's simple math that our atmosphere is made up of a particular set of molecules, in a particular mix. Change that mix by a particular degree, and hold it there for a particular time and you're going to see cascading changes. But yes, the scope is so huge that the changes aren't noticeable in a human lifespan... so the naysayers get to cling to the belief that it's just "normal" change, not accelerated change.

Another example of climate altering damage humans are very easily capable of is current-altering building in seaways and along oceanic coasts. We look at these things as simple improvements for human & cargo transportation safety, or storm & weather safety improvements for land based populations... but scientists are only just now realizing just how much we've altered various ocean & sea currents since the 1920s and comprehending the affect that altering or diverting a current has on weather AND climate.

Anyone who knows anything about the basics of climate & weather knows just how important currents & tides are to the balance.

Actually, most of that post is tinfoil-hat worthy.
I guess you're not a science major.

I just look at all the record breaking floods, cold spells, heat waves that are happening around the world and can't help that think things are changing...climate OR weather.

A lot of this is just that we are more aware of it today.
What about the cold of the '60's and the snows of '71 and '72.
If that happened today, the internet would be awash with stories of the coming end of time.
Or the drought during the '30's - same thing.

[terrym]

Another beautiful example of suckin while blowin.

You seem to know more than me about that stuff, I'll let you handle that.

[yellow dog]

Of course things are changing. They always have and always will regardless of the arrogance of those who think they can control it. Man did not cause the end of the ice age yet it happened, why is that? There was a time when reptiles domed most of the planet, man did not cool the climate and cause species to disappear. Climate change rhetoric is a very lucrative industry but it isn't changing how our planet is evolving and never will. Of course we need to reverse our destructive footprint but the crap spewed by the alarmists is just crapp.

Yup lots of snake oil salesman around .

A lot of this is just that we are more aware of it today.
What about the cold of the '60's and the snows of '71 and '72.
If that happened today, the internet would be awash with stories of the coming end of time.
Or the drought during the '30's - same thing.

In the 70's we were heading for an ice age !

[impact]

The earth is in a continuous flux and ever changing.

Another post on conditions in the Arctic prompted me to do 2 minutes of research and post this link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5034026.stm

[terrym]

Yup lots of snake oil salesman around .

We call them lobbyists and progressives now. But hey, it's a living right?

[impact]

Go ahead and ask me about global warming MF!

On my second pass with the snow blower!

Ottawa has set a record for snowfall in one day: 42 cm. And the flakes are still falling.
The old record of 40.6 cm, set in 1947, tumbled mid-afternoon, Environment Canada confirms. The records come from Ottawa International Airport, dating back to the 1930s.
But like so much in a public service town, this record comes with a caveat. We’ve had snowier days (at least twice) but they were recorded more than a century ago and at a different measuring point.
The storm may not break two earlier records set at the Central Experimental Farm — 55.9 cm in January of 1894, and the second-place snowfall of 54.1 cm in November of 1912. But only the airport numbers count as official Ottawa records.
Earlier in the day, Geoff Coulson of Environment Canada said the total could end up “not just breaking the single-day record for February or the all-time single-day record, but burying it.”