Not so smart meters ,

[skypilot]

I had a dog once with ten teats and eleven puppies.

Moral of story....sooner or later Wynnochio will run out of teats and be faced with stark reality of doing without.........

[JBen]

Just wanted to add, that yes borrowing more would be cheaper.
Hmm, seems like this admin already has problems with debt, doing things right, managing any money...your freaking out (rightfully) because they want to manage your retirement now to....

Since when has giving a crack addict more crack been a good idea.<<<One problem those who think taxing the rich is the answer.
All we do is give them more $$ to mismanage, more scandals, more bloat

Personally Id rather not see it sold but................

[terrym]

By all mean Terry step up and donate more.....

Actually I do. Every year my tax burden increases faster than my disposable income as it does for most working stiffs. I also have to look forward to the looming carbon taxes which will be inflationary again. I also have to look forward to losing 1.9% of my paycheck to fund the coming pension plan I will never benefit from. Who will benefit from this pension plan? The PS will. They won't have to pay into it but will reap the benefits of using the fund to pay for the governments operating expense no matter what she calls it. translation is pay raises and better pensions for them funded by those who don't have pensions. She has already admitted she will use the funds to finance infrastructure which is code for hiring more liberal voting PS.
I think Werner quickly proposed some solutions which are probably more sensible than all the geniuses and consultants we overpay to come up with nothing but invoices for services not useful. And I bet Werner won't even send them a bill....

My accountant has quite a few Hydro employees as clients and he has told me he is flabbergasted at the income these people make.

[terrym]

Just wanted to add, that yes borrowing more would be cheaper.
Hmm, seems like this admin already has problems with debt, doing things right, managing any money...your freaking out (rightfully) because they want to manage your retirement now to....

Since when has giving a crack addict more crack been a good idea.<<<One problem those who think taxing the rich is the answer.
All we do is give them more $$ to mismanage, more scandals, more bloat

Personally Id rather not see it sold but................

The solution is to replace this government.

[JBen]

singing to the choir Terry.
I'll lose $1,800 to ORPP over and above everything else.

Wonder if my good friend Gord because he has a social conscious will start contributing to my rrsp I've certainly chipped in a lot to his.
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That's the problem Terry. If they don't sell Hydro One...or the lands in Pickering they put up for sale last week. Their options are (not lets not split too many hairs).

Tax us more.
Borrow more (Hmmm, Rating agencies are already breathing down their necks) not to mention just more money for them to waste or spend on friends.
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Harder choice
Start reducing their cost.
lolololololololololololololololol.....

But even if they do find the backdone to start scaling back their cost
That means cuts somewhere.
You really believe there aren't people in PS who aren't peons to?

[terrym]

You really believe there aren't people in PS who aren't peons to?

Of course there are. And most likely do their jobs well. this may blow your mind knowing how I rant about the PS here but most of my closest friends are Provincial civil servants. Doesn't change the fact that on average the PS makes @ 13% more than the private sector for comparable work. That 13% would enable them to contribute those funds into a RRSP and over a career have likely still more than the private sector peons. Government is generally overpaid and should see a real pay freeze for the next 5 years to bring it back into line with what taxpayers have to live with. Never gonna happen. Shut up, pay up and learn to do with less.

[JBen]

Yep (all kinds of friends/family in PS) and the funny thing some/most get it....Shame others don't.
My Aunts FB this aim with respect to soaring food prices (she lives in Rural Ont). on top of hydro, taxes, etc

How am I supposed to survive?? Starve?

But heres another kicker...
Do you have faith in Ms Wynnes ability to do much right? pretty much everything they touch turns to crap, no?

So on what ground does anyone think they could even manage to scale back some properly?

And people wonder why I love their Unions so much, when the bitter pill they should be swallowing is that really, in the end no-one to blame but themselves and their Unions.

[line052]

I still say..If you cant beat them, then screw them:
Off the grid ideal for me
100+ Acres of woodlot, with couple to “farm” (grow vegies)
<1200 sq foot house (Ranch)
Wood/Water heat
8-10K solar power not grid connected (ground mount adjustable to solar gain)

• 3000W pure inverter
• MPPT controller
• All room disconnect able by switch

Propane stove, Propane dryer (when needed), propane hot water. Back up propane furnace.
Biggest propane tank you can get and pay delivery to you or twice a year…for what you actually use….
All LED lighting
10K diesel generator in out building which double as “barn/storage”. Used only during high draw needs (family/parties) and monthly battery equalization for battery pack.
South situated home, with a stream if possible, swamp land or duck pond.
Land located in township that is not incorporated or little tax base.

[Waftrudnir]

I still say..If you cant beat them, then screw them:
Off the grid ideal for me
100+ Acres of woodlot, with couple to “farm” (grow vegies)
<1200 sq foot house (Ranch)
Wood/Water heat
8-10K solar power not grid connected (ground mount adjustable to solar gain)

• 3000W pure inverter
• MPPT controller
• All room disconnect able by switch

Propane stove, Propane dryer (when needed), propane hot water. Back up propane furnace.
Biggest propane tank you can get and pay delivery to you or twice a year…for what you actually use….
All LED lighting
10K diesel generator in out building which double as “barn/storage”. Used only during high draw needs (family/parties) and monthly battery equalization for battery pack.
South situated home, with a stream if possible, swamp land or duck pond.
Land located in township that is not incorporated or little tax base.

comes close to my dream, but until I can afford it, I have to work (and thereafter I might be too old anyway). If you come across an affordable location that meets the above description and where there are employment opportunities (other than the only one gas station within 100km), please let me know...