So, it really was about the money?

[Dythbringer]

This union is the least combative and militant of the three. Yet Wynne and company rolled over like a submissive puppy for them and handed them increases and not condensing class sizes despite saying no raises until the budget is balanced. However, does anyone else here honestly believe there would be another result. So we have one union down, and two more to go (the most difficult to negotiate with).

As others have pointed out in this thread, does anyone really think it is as small as the government claims keeping in mind the track record this government has when it comes to projecting costs? Or they will find savings to offset this cost? What is sad, based on the raise assumptions you guys have given that the raise itself costing close to $137 million, is that it will cost an Ontario tax payer $10/teacher (13.7 million population but probably more as not all of the population is actively paying taxes, think under 10) and it is getting to the point, I can't afford to pay that $10/teacher. This government is literally killing us by a death of a thousand cuts.

Dyth

[longpointer]

This is still a great country to live in regardless who may be running it. All I will say is " If you don't vote .....don't b15ch ! "

[sawbill]

I never did buy into that "If you don't vote, don't........"
A person who decides not to vote has every right to because sometimes there just isn't any candidate or party philosophy that agrees with that persons point of view.

[JBen]

Agree Sawbill.
But disagree in so much as depends on the specifics. Sometimes, maybe many times, who ultimately wins may not matter and so choosing to vote for no one because none seem a good choice is quite all right.

However
Apathy, is a reason (not the only) why the Liberals have gotten away with so much. Fooled so many and run this province into the ground. Couple that, with the influence some Unions have (which can't be understated) and well, "you get the gov't you deserve".

And today we are paying the prices. Obvious prices like increasing taxes, Hydro and more and there are many people getting hit hard. Less obvious prices like having to decide what is a priority for spending and what or who isn't. There are 800,000 people without GPs and that's just scratching the Healthcare debacle. Good to know the same old group are getting taken care of.

The squeaky wheel.....

Reports this morning that more Teachers Unions have come to an agreement. I'm betting they will be very similar.

Only the sun is asking "where will the money come from"..
Whether its school supplies, other areas of the Education portfolio (maybe EAs or custodians) or maybe Johhny Q and fancy bookkeeping.....I wonder if any teachers who read this thread might care to explain how that helps the "children"....Isnt it about them? isn't that what the Unions sold parents?

Apathy.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/25...n-compensation

[pbonura]

This is still a great country to live in regardless who may be running it. All I will say is " If you don't vote .....don't b15ch ! "

If you don't like this wonderful, free
democratic country then leave too. But of course don't give up your citizenship because when you need your health care you will not be complaining. You will be happy you are Canadian. I am privileged to be a Canadian and live in a country that provides freedom, opportunities.