Moose surveys

[Sam Menard]

It’s a late start but Units 14 and 21A currently being flown. Hopefully they can get them done.

[gbk]

Nice,hopefully it will get better results for all of us

[Articcat]

Unit 21A is where they are giving out tons of adult tags to get rid of the moose so the Elk can flourish, so they say
I hunted all over 21A for 3 years in a row and never saw a moose track let alone an elk track even the natives say there is no elk
except way north of hwy 11where hey have to boat in or snowmobile in

[trimmer21]

Unit 21A is where they are giving out tons of adult tags to get rid of the moose so the Elk can flourish, so they say

This idea has been around for quite a while,now. Why does this persist when it's not factual? It doesn't really make a heck of a lot of sense.

[gbk]

Unfortunately the situation seems to be another proof that the MNR is led by late and outdated information.

[Sam Menard]

Unit 21A is where they are giving out tons of adult tags to get rid of the moose so the Elk can flourish, so they say
I hunted all over 21A for 3 years in a row and never saw a moose track let alone an elk track even the natives say there is no elk
except way north of hwy 11where hey have to boat in or snowmobile in

I think that you might be confusing Elk for caribou.

They used to give out lots of cow tags, but not so much any more. I think you need 4 or 5 points for a bull tag now.

[werner.reiche]

This idea has been around for quite a while,now. Why does this persist when it's not factual? It doesn't really make a heck of a lot of sense.

This idea came about from it being part of Ontario's big game plan - maybe 15-20 years ago. I see it's no longer included in the written plan. However, there is still evidence of it existing - the over allotment of tags in 21A and a corresponding shortage of moose. I'll see if I can dig up the wording from an old big game management plan.

Paragraphs like this from the Caribou management plan:

"Moose and White-tailed Deer thrive in younger forests after disturbance by fire or logging. When the numbers of Moose and White-tailed Deer increase, so do the abundance of associated predators and parasites. This can subsequently lead to the decline or disappearance of Woodland Caribou.

• 5.4 Ontario will assess the relationship between Moose and caribou numbers in order to develop recommended objectives for maximum Moose numbers in Wildlife Management Units within continuous caribou distribution. This process will be implemented through the Moose management program by the establishment of Moose population objectives and harvest management strategies.
• 5.5 Within the geographic distribution of caribou, populations of predators will be managed primarily by managing habitat and the associated roads to reflect natural forest conditions. This will include the management of land and resource uses to maintain naturally-occurring low densities of prey (e.g. Moose, White-tailed Deer) and predators. Ontario will assess the feasibility and effectiveness of directly and indirectly influencing predator densities in very specific situations, and develop criteria and guidelines for managing the prey-predator balance as required."

Also, have a look at pages 152 and 153 of this study.

https://www.cclmportal.ca/sites/defa...ario_devel.pdf

[werner.reiche]

Unit 21A is where they are giving out tons of adult tags to get rid of the moose so the Elk can flourish, so they say
I hunted all over 21A for 3 years in a row and never saw a moose track let alone an elk track even the natives say there is no elk
except way north of hwy 11where hey have to boat in or snowmobile in

The excessive moose tags in 21A is to support the woodland caribou population, not elk.

The idea behind it is to eliminate the moose which will result in less predators in the unit. This will reduce depredation on the woodland caribou - at least in theory.

See pages 152/153 in the study below.

https://www.cclmportal.ca/sites/defa...ario_devel.pdf

[gbk]

21A and wiping out the moose to make room for the endangered Caribou!I can not help but to remember Slaten Island and the WELL established Woodland Caribou herd and its demise due of the Kumbaya approach to the “so much more” important (otherwise excessively abundant)wolf population versus the ENDANGERED Caribou on the island.It was painful to read all the explanations why the Authorities AND the “locals”let the once great herd be wiped out.

[Articcat]

I meant to say caribou not elk and it is factual as per many co's I spoke to