Ontario Liberals promise handgun ban if elected

[73hunter]

Anyone who believes that crime guns are sourced domestically needs to see that.

That was literally one drone that didn't make it.....imagine what is getting through? Used to be ahem, a certain area near Cornwall where contraband was brought across in boats....

Additionally, all one has to do is see where Gabriel Wortman got his guns, despite not having a valid license.

It’s always been easier to fool uninformed voters than to tell the truth and stand up to certain groups.

[JoePa]

In the last 5-10 years there have been a number of charges laid, which did not go forward.

Speaking with a good friend, who is now a Judge, but he was a Crown Attorney when he was rooming with me, this is basically how things are going...

We technically don't live in a country with Castle Doctrine ( BTW JoePA, not every state in the great USA is either.....you might want to bone up on that before you post).

....however....the recent case has set a precedent in Canadian Courts. R. vs. Stanley ( Biggar SK). wherein 4 FN members trespassed on a farm after an unsuccessful attempt at burglarizing another nearby farm, resulting in one being shot and killed ( by a Restricted Tokarev pistol.)

This bodes well for any Canadian who lives outside of urban areas, where police response might not be as timey as one might require.

bone up on what I post ? - where did I mention the Castle Doctrine - don't worry I know the guns laws here in the U.S. - holy molly

[73hunter]

In the last 5-10 years there have been a number of charges laid, which did not go forward.

Speaking with a good friend, who is now a Judge, but he was a Crown Attorney when he was rooming with me, this is basically how things are going...

We technically don't live in a country with Castle Doctrine ( BTW JoePA, not every state in the great USA is either.....you might want to bone up on that before you post).

....however....the recent case has set a precedent in Canadian Courts. R. vs. Stanley ( Biggar SK). wherein 4 FN members trespassed on a farm after an unsuccessful attempt at burglarizing another nearby farm, resulting in one being shot and killed ( by a Restricted Tokarev pistol.)

This bodes well for any Canadian who lives outside of urban areas, where police response might not be as timey as one might require.

BBD…..I believe the outcome of the Stanley trial was heavily influenced by the fact that he claimed he didn’t it mean to shoot the intruder, he had a hang-fire in the Tokarev. In the US, I think Castle Doctrine says you can shoot with intent to harm/kill an intruder. We are still WORLDS apart…no ?

[73hunter]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...scotia-inquiry

More garbage

[fishfood]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...scotia-inquiry

More garbage

Yep junk lol.

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[Tigboy 304]

Third paragraph in says it all as the report originated in a blue cesspool of a state. Go figure!!!

[greatwhite]

You could actually make a very strong argument that the Police should be banned from guns. They should be held to a higher standard.
This is an old article.

Key points to keep in Mind:
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen over 14 years.
So a Total of 813 or 58 Guns a year close to 5 guns a month.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...er-departments

LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Author of the article:
Brian Lilley
Publishing date:
Jul 23, 2019 • July 23, 2019 • 3 minute read •

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One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
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Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.

Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.

A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.

That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.

According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.


Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.

The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.

The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.

Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.

“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.


“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”

One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.

That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.

In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.

It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.

“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.

“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”

And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
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In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.

Neither will most of what they say be true this election.

As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.


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[Bluebulldog]

BBD…..I believe the outcome of the Stanley trial was heavily influenced by the fact that he claimed he didn’t it mean to shoot the intruder, he had a hang-fire in the Tokarev. In the US, I think Castle Doctrine says you can shoot with intent to harm/kill an intruder. We are still WORLDS apart…no ?

Hence my friend the Provincial court justice has made note that Crown Prosecutors are quite reluctant to pursue charges in court. As one victory by a jury based on defending ones property, or family, and there is a set precedent.

Stanley also set forth the legal argument that a firearm can be used to dissuade trespassers. There were lots of possible charges that could have been pushed, but they weren't.

We won't get into community pressure around that case, but it certainly had to be a factor.

[mosquito]

How far will they go to make sure Canadians are incapable of defending themselves.

[JoePa]

I watched the video - I can hardly believe it - how crazy have things gotten in Canada - getting arrested for having a cigarette lighter in your possession - it's beyond stupid - it's comical - whenever I go fishing up there the Canadian border guard always asks me if I got a knife - sure I got a knife - maybe a couple - how do they expect you to cut the fishing line or fillet a fish - I always think it is so stupid -

Then there is the stupid cop who arrests someone for having a lighter in their possession - the law should be clear on that - the cop should know if the person is breaking a law - that's part of his job - down here if a cop unlawfully arrests you - you sue the cop and the city that he works for - right now cops are protected with immunity and the citizens end up paying any restitution for a false arrest - there is a movement under way to remove this protection for cops and make them personally responsible for any unlawful behavior - I hope this movement succeeds