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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePa View Post
    Just ask yourself if you would like to go see a doctor because you are sick and then realize that the doctor was in medical school because of diversity and inclusion and not on merit - this whole thing comes about because certain people can't compete on a level playing field so they are given a pass on everything but merit
    They might get into medical school based on diversity and inclusion but they only get out if they make the grade.

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    The professor wants to hire a person with qualifications. Not a placemat based on criterias placed there by bureaucrats.
    The most qualified gets the job. That is how its done. This woke society has been detrimental to businesses and society.

    My company hired a person to fill a position and satisfy the government directives.
    His background was banking.
    The position being filled was technical and hands on in nature.
    He struggled for a year and this caused frustration with the team as he was not picking up the slack.
    He finally left after being totally stressed and unable to do the job.
    What did that accomplish? Nothing but cowering to an out of control woke government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    They might get into medical school based on diversity and inclusion but they only get out if they make the grade.
    Do you seriously believe that?
    What university administration is dumb enough to fail out diversity/inclusion students at a higher rate than people who made it there on merit???
    Career suicide. Its all a game and you need to play by the rules if you don't want to get cancelled.

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    When applying for grants, there are particular phrases you need to include on your proposal.
    My daughter works at Waterloo in the math department's grant administration.
    Her job is to ensure that the applications are worthy of being submitted from a technical perspective.
    Beyond that she also ensures that all the correct boxes are checked and that all the correct phraseology (is that a word?) is used to ensure the grant is approved - and that is the most critical part of her job. It's not what you say, its how you say it.

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    All Fed government Grants, Proposals, Employment and Contract submissions all have a standard set of 'boxes' that ask everything from if you're a visible minority to if your handicapped. The more boxed you check, the better the chance your file will move forward. The professor decided no play the game and a consequence, his paperwork was sent to purgatory.
    Last edited by MikePal; November 25th, 2021 at 04:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werner.reiche View Post
    Do you seriously believe that?
    What university administration is dumb enough to fail out diversity/inclusion students at a higher rate than people who made it there on merit???
    Career suicide. Its all a game and you need to play by the rules if you don't want to get cancelled.
    Universities don't license doctors. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario do and a medical degree from a university is only the first step.

    https://www.cpso.on.ca/Physicians/Re...n/Requirements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    Universities don't license doctors. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario do and a medical degree from a university is only the first step.

    https://www.cpso.on.ca/Physicians/Re...n/Requirements
    That is a real lame response. Did you even read the page at the link you copied?

    The college licenses doctors which have medical degrees granted by universities.
    Once the medical degree has been granted by a university, what grounds is there for refusing to license?

    There's more that a bit of truth in the joke "What do you call a medical student who graduates at the bottom of his class"? "Doctor".

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    Quote Originally Posted by werner.reiche View Post
    That is a real lame response. Did you even read the page at the link you copied?

    The college licenses doctors which have medical degrees granted by universities.
    Once the medical degree has been granted by a university, what grounds is there for refusing to license?

    There's more that a bit of truth in the joke "What do you call a medical student who graduates at the bottom of his class"? "Doctor".
    Go back to the site, click on Independent Practice Certificate of Registration and read the full list. There are requirements beyond a medical degree from a university. The degree is only the first step:

    This certificate authorizes the holder to engage in independent, unsupervised medical practice in Ontario.

    The holder of an Independent Practice certificate is entitled to all the rights and responsibilities of a physician in Ontario and must meet the annual renewal requirements set by the CPSO to maintain the Independent Practice certificate.

    General Requirements

    1) A medical degree from an accredited Canadian or US medical school or from an acceptable international medical school.

    2) Successful completion of Parts 1 and 2 of the Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Examination (MCCQE) or an acceptable alternative examination. Under the CPSO’s current regulation, acceptable alternative examinations to Parts 1 and 2 of the MCCQE are:
    • If completed successfully before December 31, 1991, the MCCQE (before the introduction of Parts 1 and 2), or
    • If completed successfully before December 31, 1991, the examinations for the diploma of the National Board of Medical Examiners (NBME) of the United States of America, or
    • If obtained before December 31, 1991, a score of 75 on each of Component 1 and Component 2 of the Licensing Examination of the Federation of State Medical Boards of the United States of America (FLEX). If FLEX was taken before July 1, 1985, a weighted score average of 75 on all components is required.

    3 Certification by examination by either the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (RCPSC) or the College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC).

    4 Completion in Canada of one year of postgraduate training or active medical practice, or completion of a full clinical clerkship at an accredited Canadian medical school.

    5 Canadian Citizenship or permanent resident status.

    The holder of the certificate may only practise in the areas in which he or she is educated and experienced.

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    from the same site:

    CPSO has made a commitment to examine how we, as an organisation, can better fulfill our mandate through bringing equity, diversity and inclusion (EDI) to our processes and policies. We are committed to addressing all forms of discrimination, including anti-racism, gender bias, rights of LGBTQ2S+ communities, and discrimination faced by other equity-seeking groups. we continue to listen, learn and be reflexive in this work, we are inviting you to do the same. Here are some resources that can help in this life-long journey of learning and unlearning. The College will be adding to this collection as additional resources become available.
    Means they have employment equity programs..as part of their mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
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    Means they have employment equity programs..as part of their mandate.
    Everyone who wants to be a doctor must past the same tests regardless of sex, race religion or creed. No pass, no practice.
    Last edited by Badenoch; November 25th, 2021 at 03:53 PM.

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