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June 9th, 2021, 04:29 AM
#1
Statues torn down and double standards
So we have various historical statues being torn down by crowds for many different reasons, whether they be valid reasons or just an issue with mob mentality getting out of control. Nothing is done by our elected leaders or our paid law enforcement officers that I have seen or heard besides some video taping and watching from afar.
Was this not the exact same scenario which we saw just a few short years ago when statues were being torn down by ISIS in Iraq?
Back then people were going nuts in the "free world" about these statues being destroyed and it had to stop immediately, history was being erased. It was 1 more reason to send troops over and overthrow a bad regime.
This statue destruction in Canada seems like a huge double standard to me as it looks like the people are trying to erase any vestige of the people who were at the time doing what they thought was best for everyone.
History will always look back and we can see how we can do better in the future, but this is evolution.
If you erase the past, you are bound to make the same mistakes and repeat the past.
John
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June 9th, 2021 04:29 AM
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June 9th, 2021, 06:02 AM
#2

Originally Posted by
johnjyb
So we have various historical statues being torn down by crowds for many different reasons, whether they be valid reasons or just an issue with mob mentality getting out of control. Nothing is done by our elected leaders or our paid law enforcement officers that I have seen or heard besides some video taping and watching from afar.
Was this not the exact same scenario which we saw just a few short years ago when statues were being torn down by ISIS in Iraq?
Back then people were going nuts in the "free world" about these statues being destroyed and it had to stop immediately, history was being erased. It was 1 more reason to send troops over and overthrow a bad regime.
This statue destruction in Canada seems like a huge double standard to me as it looks like the people are trying to erase any vestige of the people who were at the time doing what they thought was best for everyone.
History will always look back and we can see how we can do better in the future, but this is evolution.
If you erase the past, you are bound to make the same mistakes and repeat the past.
John
It's a very different scenario. Troops weren't sent over to the Middle East save statues but to save people and stop any potential terrorist threat to North America and Europe.
I'm in the "no worshipping graven images" category. Tear all the statues down of anyone good, bad or indifferent. I won't criticize any police officer who decides not to use force against protestors over something as meaningless as a statue of some long dead politician or man of the cloth.
Tear 'em all down.
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June 9th, 2021, 06:21 AM
#3

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
Tear all the statues down of anyone good, bad or indifferent. I won't criticize any police officer who decides not to use force against protestors over something as meaningless as a statue of some long dead politician or man of the cloth.
Tear 'em all down.
So by your standards, it'd be alright for someone to knock down and destroy any of your loved ones headstone in a graveyard? Afterall, a headstone on a grave can be considered just a monument of sorts, to a past loved one of someone?
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June 9th, 2021, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
Bushmoose
So by your standards, it'd be alright for someone to knock down and destroy any of your loved ones headstone in a graveyard? Afterall, a headstone on a grave can be considered just a monument of sorts, to a past loved one of someone?
A head stone isn't a statue nor is it a graven image.
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June 9th, 2021, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
Badenoch
It's a very different scenario. Troops weren't sent over to the Middle East save statues but to save people and stop any potential terrorist threat to North America and Europe.
I'm in the "no worshipping graven images" category. Tear all the statues down of anyone good, bad or indifferent. I won't criticize any police officer who decides not to use force against protestors over something as meaningless as a statue of some long dead politician or man of the cloth.
Tear 'em all down.
Wow what a weird take on this issue...
A statue merely existing does not automatically suggest or demand worship. This isn't Soviet Russia or the middle East. It's not a religious icon in a sacred space like a church. It's mainly a testament and explanation of something's origin.
"Tear 'em all down" sums up the spirit of our age perfectly.
The best part about being a "conspiracy theorist" is not having myocarditis.
Roses are red, violets are blue, taxation is theft, inflation is too.
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June 9th, 2021, 06:52 AM
#6

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
A head stone isn't a statue nor is it a graven image.
Semantics. What is it, precisely, then? At its core, its a form of remembrance and honour. What if the last name on the head stone 'offends' me? Is that not the criteria for destruction/removal that's been set and approved by cowardly politicians & academics?
The best part about being a "conspiracy theorist" is not having myocarditis.
Roses are red, violets are blue, taxation is theft, inflation is too.
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June 9th, 2021, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by
Badenoch
It's a very different scenario. Troops weren't sent over to the Middle East save statues but to save people and stop any potential terrorist threat to North America and Europe.
I'm in the "no worshipping graven images" category. Tear all the statues down of anyone good, bad or indifferent. I won't criticize any police officer who decides not to use force against protestors over something as meaningless as a statue of some long dead politician or man of the cloth.
Tear 'em all down.
Spoken words of a true Globalist with an agenda. Good luck with your cancel culture strategy.
We The People are taking our country back.
Looks like your on the wrong side of the fence.
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June 9th, 2021, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
Bushwhacker
Wow what a weird take on this issue...
A statue merely existing does not automatically suggest or demand worship. This isn't Soviet Russia or the middle East. It's not a religious icon in a sacred space like a church. It's mainly a testament and explanation of something's origin.
"Tear 'em all down" sums up the spirit of our age perfectly.
The large statues in parks and public squares across Canada venerate public figures whose conduct is being re-examined in the context of changing societal attitudes toward treatment of First Nations. Removing the statues is an acknowledgement that what was done by them in that era is not compatible with today's society. Removing statues of past leaders for various sins isn't a new phenomenon and explains why many public statues of Lenin, Hitler, Hussein, Botha, Amin, etc. were taken down in their countries.
Last edited by Badenoch; June 9th, 2021 at 07:36 AM.
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June 9th, 2021, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
Badenoch
The large statues in parks and public squares across Canada venerate public figures whose conduct is being re-examined in the context of changing societal attitudes toward treatment of First Nations. Removing the statues is an acknowledgement that what was done by them in that era is not compatible with today's society. Removing statues of past leaders for various sins isn't a new phenomenon and explains why many public statues of Lenin, Hitler, Hussein, Botha, Amin, etc. were taken down in their countries.
The argument flows both ways as it could be said that statues are a stark reminder of a path the people should never go down again. History has a tendency of repeating itself and visual reminders are a good way of ensuring we do not forget the past. A handful of vandals belonging to a special interest group are not to decide if a statue or monument remains standing. We The People as a collective assembly make that decision.
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June 9th, 2021, 08:53 AM
#10
Scrap all laws then, everybody can do what they want. You want to tear down statues maybe I want to tear down other stuff.

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
It's a very different scenario. Troops weren't sent over to the Middle East save statues but to save people and stop any potential terrorist threat to North America and Europe.
I'm in the "no worshipping graven images" category. Tear all the statues down of anyone good, bad or indifferent. I won't criticize any police officer who decides not to use force against protestors over something as meaningless as a statue of some long dead politician or man of the cloth.
Tear 'em all down.
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