Electric cars : A Canadian perspective.

[JBen]

Bowjob.
There are way too many variables. Do you drive to work, take public transit? Or a combination? Have a son or two in hockey and put thousands of km on every winter when fuel efficiency drops? Substantially.

One truck and one Prius in the driveway? Or two SUVs?

Foe the purpose of insurance, underwriters say the average driver does 20,000-25,000 km/year.

If we keep it simple and pump prices are $1.00/litre. And every vehicle gets 100 km/10 litre.

Roughly $2,500 in gas. So roughly 1,250 in tax.

When I would talk to people about budgeting. Just for a ball park idea, an annual gas budget of $5,000 per year for a family is not unreasonable. Likely conservative.

[Bowjob]

Just remember,:

thats crazy haha. tesla is very weird with their automobiles i know that. ive heard stories of guys trying to buy just a part and they dont sell just the parts unless you go to the dealer and they do it for you. 100% something to keep in mind forsure.

in some states its actually a no brainer to grab a tesla. all the rebates and tax credit dums down the cost BIG time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWvs5H32Oyc

[delmer]

Every new technology has its costs. What is not apparent now will be in a few years. In the mean time, the government is encouraging everyone to jump on the band wagon.

[trimmer21]

Electric vehicle technology is advancing by leaps and bounds. Unfortunately,battery power technology needed to support that isn't.

[line052]

Micheal Moore was trashed by the left when he produced his last documentary which points out the hypocrisy of Lithium mining and the huge environmental impacts it has on the earth.

Also, it is and has been well known for 15 yrs most civilized countries understand that to put an EV in every home would cripple the grid. Most subdivisions are built on the principle of 200Amps per house hold with never 50% capacity being used. You see this come to light during heat ways and max AC use, brownouts and over heating transformers as a result.

The infrastructure upgrades to have a pure (or even 50%), electric vehicle usage would involve massive upgrades at subdivision, sub stations, and main grid increases in capacity...trillions of dollars.

Now when you couple that with the Crazy green ideas of Wind/Solar as the way forward, it is laughable at best, and certainly not achievable ever. In order to do this across the GTA, some estimates I have seen state at least 2 new nuclear facilities would have to built or 80 gas fired turbines just to meet 50% increase in EV grid to support them in GTA.

This is al the proof you need to the fallacy of the green energy political goals and dreams - they are a lie on the highest order and only support the narrative for carbon taxation.

[line052]

BINGO...correct

You can make all the cheap power you want, the infrastructure to get it to the end user isn't there and would take many years to put into place.

[410001661]

The big issue with EV cars are the EVSE (supply equipment) - infrastructure. In 2012 I was the specification manager for GE Industrial and we launched two EVSE's - DuraStation and WattStation (both 7.2kW Class II EV chargers). On my block there are 28 homes and if 50% of the homes has just one EV + one EVSE that would be an additional 100kW on the grid for that one block alone. How big is your town or city.........100 blocks? Now you are looking at an additional 10MW of power. To give you an idea of how much energy that is - 1MW can power 650 average sized homes to you are talking enough power to run 6,500 homes

During this time everyone was coming out with EVSE's and municipalities were worried that their infrastructure could not support this additional load on their grid. During one meeting with Toronto Hydro, ElectroFed, and several electrical manufacturers Toronto hydro had serious concerns about their ageing electrical grid in various parts of the city. At one point they wanted to force EV car dealers and/or EVSE manufacturers to disclose the location of where the EV chargers were going so that they could be preemptive and adequately deal with their infrastructure issues before they became a problem for the consumer. Everyone pushed back saying we do not have POS data granular enough to determine where the final location of an EVSE would be.

Same with Condo buildings that have common space - who pays for the EVSE there? You cannot re-sell electricity so if I already own the parking spot how can I charge my car without having everyone in the condo paying for it? What about people in older neighbourhoods that rely on street parking?

IMHO the best EV model is having a battery swap out system but car manufacturers loose their performance edge my using a common power supply across all platforms. Similar to a drive through car wash where you get your batteries swapped out and away you go.

Do not be fooled the drop in gas taxes WILL be made up in electricity but I am afraid it will be across your entire bill and not be specific to your EV alone.

[MarkB]

Power is at peak around 20 cents per kwh .. so this math is flawed.

Also in terms of infrastructure, no doubt things will need to be upgraded to enable charging of cars.
Load balancing will also be necessary to avoid black outs when everyone gets home from work at 6 pm and simultaneously
plugs there car in.

Both are fixed by implementing a load balancing battery storage unit in each house ... so not only will your car have a battery, so will
your house ... think of it like another piece of equipment next to your hot water tank and furnace. Those stationary batteries will charge
while you are away, and then be used to charge the car (so you don't end up with a peak 75 amp grid power consumption when the car is being charged. It will probably be limited to somewhere between 30 A and 50 A .... likely the consumption will be modelled after AC units.

That doesn't mean it's going to be simple ... there's a whole lot of work that needs to be done ... and if you're point is there isn't enough people thinking about this and planning ... yeah, you're right about that!

[MikePal]

Power is at peak around 20 cents per kwh .. so this math is flawed.

Have my Eastern Ont 'rural' bill here, peak usage is 11.5 cents per kw/hr ..

Inevitably EVs will be the future , but they have a long way to go to appease the entire general public, not just the Environmentalist who don't mind the inconvenience of EVs because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy as they think they're improving our climate. HaHa.

[werner.reiche]

When we have a problem in new neighbourhoods (built in 2003-2006) when everyone turns on the AC at once, we are a couple of decades away from EVs being a practical solution.