Electric cars : A Canadian perspective.

[MikePal]

Pulled this off an e-email I got. I didn't dissect it for 'Truth or Fiction'..but it does confirm some of the concerns I have about what were NOT being told .

interesting article.

As an engineer I love the electric vehicle technology However, I have been troubled for a longtime by the fact that the electrical energy to keep the batteries charged has to come from the grid and that means more power generation and a huge increase in the distribution infrastructure. Whether generated from coal, gas, oil, wind or sun, installed generation capacity is limited. A friend sent me the following that says it very well. You should all take a look at this short article. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they're being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug. If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.

$ 18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Canadian Government wants loyal Canadians not to do the math, but simply pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

[impact]

I'm on the fence on this but the math does not look right.
The kwh should be around 20 cents depending on time of day use etc.

"I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery."

Your cruise range is cut in half in winter months.

New fusion reactor technology will be rolled out soon that should make electricity more affordable.
I don't know why they are still pushing solar panels and wind turbines.

I will wait it out for now and enjoy my truck.

[js4fn]

Oil wells or oil sands. To lithium/cobalt mines nickle mines who know what else goes into batteries

https://theconversation.com/politica...ome-from-80886

[Fisherman]

New fusion reactor technology will be rolled out soon that should make electricity more affordable.
I don't know why they are still pushing solar panels and wind turbines.

I will wait it out for now and enjoy my truck.

You can make all the cheap power you want, the infrastructure to get it to the end user isn't there and would take many years to put into place.

[JBen]

The math does look off from a few things I’ve read. And from a couple Tesla owners I know.

However. It just struck me.
These days we pay about .45 cents per litre tax.

That’s a crazy amount of tax revenue that will be lost.

[fratri]

The math does look off from a few things I’ve read. And from a couple Tesla owners I know.

However. It just struck me.
These days we pay about .45 cents per litre tax.

That’s a crazy amount of tax revenue that will be lost.

The government will just have to start charging a new tax or as they call it, environmental fee on these electric cars to make up the loss.

[Jakezilla]

The math does look off from a few things I’ve read. And from a couple Tesla owners I know.

However. It just struck me.
These days we pay about .45 cents per litre tax.

That’s a crazy amount of tax revenue that will be lost.

They will charge you by the km when you get your stickers renewed.

[JBen]

Going down this path a little more.

Presently.
People are driving subsidized EVs and not paying gas taxes.

People driving cars are paying more in gas taxes due to carbon tax.

That will only get worse and worse. More substantial and meaningful as more and more acquire EVs.

In effect
Those driving conventional combustion vehicles are seriously subsidizing those driving EVs. Directly and indirectly ( less tax revenue for healthcare etc)

Right now Carbon taxes, are likely offsetting the drop in revenue and subsidies.

In time, no doubt governments will bring in some new tax to recover the lost revenue. Whatever it is, it will be hefty, will need to be

But until such time, EV adopters are litterally getting a free ride.

[Bowjob]

been looking at the teslas recently. i canot afford one by any means but honestly the trade off is amazing if you have the money.

think about this.

how much money do you spend in gas a year? even a conservative number. now multiply that by 5 years. you can buy a car in 5-7 years just off gas money.

even teslas solar panels look amazing. (again if you have the money for it) they are under warranty for 25 years, and by using them for that long you will at least break even with your electricity bill.

[MikePal]

how much money do you spend in gas a year? even a conservative number. now multiply that by 5 years. you can buy a car in 5-7 years just off gas money.

Just remember,:

While EV makers tend to offer generous warranties on their cars' main batteries to help alleviate this fear, the out-of-pocket price to replace a battery outside of that warranty can get pretty ugly. Case in point: this nearly $16,000 Tesla Model 3 battery replacement invoice from a Tesla service department posted by Current Automotive.

This nearly $16,000 invoice comes from a car that struck a large rock on the bottom of the car, which caused the battery pack that runs under the car's cabin to fail according to Current Automotive. The car was completely bricked when it came in for repair. The rock strike was considered "other outside forces" when it came into the shop and thus, was not covered.