Looks like the AZ vaccine is not performing well against SA Variant

[410001661]

This is getting interesting.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tudy-1.5298706

[fishfood]

Yep just Posted a while ago in the slow thread .

Africa is scrambling to find another alternative after its vaccine blow.

Why give it if it gives such little protection

Again since the beginning I have said we shouldn't be relying on a vaccine as our go to. But apparently we just keep getting more even taking out of the poor countries supply .


I must have 12 to 15 vaccines by now that they can keep lol.
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[greatwhite]

Actually this news came out last week, it's the one Trudeau now wants to use the most.

[WillieBeno]

I'm not sure why they call it a vaccine when it is really a treatment.
https://www.marktaliano.net/this-is-...YTMfJERK1s8l_M

[MikePal]

I read all this months ago....and stated it here, I will not be getting the mRNA vaccine (treatment)...for the exact reason they have found in Africa.

It's not a traditional vaccine...it won't protect as well. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine for example uses a type of virus called an adenovirus to deliver genes that produce viral proteins. It employs a harmless cold virus to deliver a gene that carries the blueprint for the spiky protein found on the surface of the coronavirus. The virus infects cells, which then follow the genetic instructions to construct a replica of the coronavirus spike.

I'll wait till the rush is over and then request the vaccine that ends up proving to be the most effective.

[GW11]

The vaccine that is reportedly failing in SA is the adenovirus-type by AstraZeneca, not mRNA.

None of them are effective. Maybe they were when they were created but the virus changes before the logistics are worked out on distribution of the vaccines.

From the article

"How does the Oxford vaccine work?

It is made from a weakened version of a common cold virus (known as an adenovirus) from chimpanzees. It has been modified to look more like coronavirus - although it can't cause illness.
Once injected, it teaches the body's immune system how to fight the real virus, should it need to"

"Covid: What is the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine? - BBC News" https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55302595

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[MikePal]

The vaccine that is reportedly failing in SA is the adenovirus-type by AstraZeneca, not mRNA.

I see the J&J was tested successfully in South Africa:

SARS-CoV-2–targeting antibodies triggered by the J&J vaccine were “very similar,” he said, to those elicited by the AstraZeneca-Oxford candidate, and the two vaccines are based on a similar technology: Both induce the body to make the spike surface protein of SARS-CoV-2 by delivering its genes in a harmless adenovirus. In a 44,000-person trial, the J&J vaccine prevented 85% of severe cases and completely protected people from hospitalization and death in several countries, including the 15% of the participants who were from South Africa.

I sounds like the SA variant is the issue with AstraZeneca. They've OK'd the J&J..

Karim explained to Science that the J&J vaccine should be available in South Africa in roughly the same time frame, so there should be no delay in starting to protect health care workers.

from: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...s-clearly-stop

[3030]

What did everyone think a cure in a year

[GW11]

What did everyone think a cure in a year

No cure. At best, a seasonal type shot (like the flu shot) where they'll take a guess at how the coming year's variants will develop and administer "vaccines" on a never-ending seasonal cycle.

My guess is the world will chase its tail for the next year or two yet until we won't be able to tell this virus from other cold viruses in terms of transmission or severity, just by scientific name. We're getting a good look now at how fast mutations take over. We seem to have forgotten that coronaviruses (RNA viruses in general), are basically impossible to keep up with in terms of vaccines.

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[mosquito]

I was reading a few days ago that due to the failure of the vaccine that Merck had cancelled it's work on it's vaccine. With the mutations if it keeps going we may see it behaving like the flu where only specific strains can be targeted. They went for the quick fix and with the variants continuing and probably some unidentified as of yet it was like a quick shot the bullet might go where the target WAS, not is.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-dis...ic-candidates/