CNN is live feeding the protests and it ain't pretty...

[73hunter]

In New York,you say? That's not surprising. They seem to be in a different universe. New Jersey is bad,too. Those folks are living 40 years in the past....."hey,how YOU doin'?" LOL I attended some GM corporate seminars in the early 90's in both Detroit and Lansing,MI. at Michigan State U. (go Wolverines). I met several local LEO's who seemed to be really decent people,but,did they ever have attitudes toward visible minorities. It became obvious that whites hated blacks,blacks hated Asians,whites and Latinos hated everybody. Fast forward 20 years or so and it amazes me to this day how they even function.

I imagine they function because there are many like-minded people in those areas...

[MarkB]

In New York,you say? That's not surprising. They seem to be in a different universe. New Jersey is bad,too. Those folks are living 40 years in the past....."hey,how YOU doin'?" LOL I attended some GM corporate seminars in the early 90's in both Detroit and Lansing,MI. at Michigan State U. (go Wolverines). I met several local LEO's who seemed to be really decent people,but,did they ever have attitudes toward visible minorities. It became obvious that whites hated blacks,blacks hated Asians,whites and Latinos hated everybody. Fast forward 20 years or so and it amazes me to this day how they even function.

Yes, New York City, we were walking on our way to see Ground Zero if I recall correctly ... but the part where the cops were verbally sexually assaulting my wife ... that part is crystal clear and I probably will take that one to my grave. That was the day I realize that the police have corrupt individuals that simply don't give a rats about letting the world know ... I mean I knew there was corruption already, but not openly like that ... I felt like I was in some communist state where the government could just openly abuse people. I wanted to punch the daylights out of those a-holes.

I want to stress ... I have friends that are cops (I mean close friends, like one that I see very regularly) ... so this isn't an attack on police in general ... but it is an attack on those s that do this to people ... they are worse than murderers in my eyes ... total abuse of power, and deserve to go to hell as far as I'm concerned. Their brothers and sisters in uniform HAVE TO STOP turning a blind eye to this BS, and get all that stinky crap out of the force. The cops are losing their integrity en-mass and they'd bode well to root out this evil ...

[trimmer21]

Yes, New York City, we were walking on our way to see Ground Zero if I recall correctly ... but the part where the cops were verbally sexually assaulting my wife ... that part is crystal clear and I probably will take that one to my grave. That was the day I realize that the police have corrupt individuals that simply don't give a rats about letting the world know ... I mean I knew there was corruption already, but not openly like that ... I felt like I was in some communist state where the government could just openly abuse people. I wanted to punch the daylights out of those a-holes.

I want to stress ... I have friends that are cops (I mean close friends, like one that I see very regularly) ... so this isn't an attack on police in general ... but it is an attack on those s that do this to people ... they are worse than murderers in my eyes ... total abuse of power, and deserve to go to hell as far as I'm concerned. Their brothers and sisters in uniform HAVE TO STOP turning a blind eye to this BS, and get all that stinky crap out of the force. The cops are losing their integrity en-mass and they'd bode well to root out this evil ...

This illustrates the difference between American and Canadian Police mindsets. Americans seem to have the attitude that they have "carte blanche" to be douchbags and nobody will call them on it,especially,their fellow officers. In this country,and this is by no means a slag to our own rank and file,but,that conduct does not go unnoticed and would very likely be reported. You were very wise not to confront those officers. Canadians in a foreign land,the US included,would do very well not to rock the boat with law enforcement. Nothing good would come out of it. It's unfortunate you didn't get the badge number. A detailed,respectful and carefully worded letter to the Office of the Mayor and NYPD Commissioner's Office quickly gets forwarded to their professional standards branch travelling down the chain of command until the load lands on the officer(s). They would likely come up with some BS explanation,but,from then on,they would be constantly under scrutiny by command. That's a position no cop ever wants to be in,no matter where they work. Once you send a letter like that,you will not likely ever hear another word other than a standard and cursory acknowledgement,but,believe me,shyte really does roll downhill.

[MarkB]

This illustrates the difference between American and Canadian Police mindsets. Americans seem to have the attitude that they have "carte blanche" to be douchbags and nobody will call them on it,especially,their fellow officers. In this country,and this is by no means a slag to our own rank and file,but,that conduct does not go unnoticed and would very likely be reported. You were very wise not to confront those officers. Canadians in a foreign land,the US included,would do very well not to rock the boat with law enforcement. Nothing good would come out of it. It's unfortunate you didn't get the badge number. A detailed,respectful and carefully worded letter to the Office of the Mayor and NYPD Commissioner's Office quickly gets forwarded to their professional standards branch travelling down the chain of command until the load lands on the officer(s). They would likely come up with some BS explanation,but,from then on,they would be constantly under scrutiny by command. That's a position no cop ever wants to be in,no matter where they work. Once you send a letter like that,you will not likely ever hear another word other than a standard and cursory acknowledgement,but,believe me,shyte really does roll downhill.

Well, my wife is an American Citizen ... but, probably better that I didn't say anything ... but it sucks, doesn't it.

I've also had experience with bad cops here ... not as bad as the NY incident, but definitely cops that wrongfully accused me of holding a cellphone (the cellphone was in the cup holder and I was on the cars BLUETOOTH having a call with a contractor! The ticket was thrown out in court!). But this cop treated me like I had murdered someone and would not listen, yelling at me and just wild ... in court he was there, and someone else was also challenging his ticket. On stand he was shouting at the guy and making faces like nodding violently up and down as if to say "YES IT IS, YES IT IS". I honestly thought the guy was on drugs or something. Then the defense questions him and he got pissed off about it, at the end of the questioning he's dismissed from the stand and walks to the back of the court where he proceeds to THROW his diary at a desk in anger, and push out a chair so hard that it hits the back wall of the court room. Everyone in there was like WTF??

On that day, they ran out of time and couldn't hear my case, so onwards to a new date. I show up for the new date ... cop isn't there. My defense attorney says he was caught lying under oath and the judge threw him out of the court room (he lied on another persons ticket and they caught him). We challenged to say he was an unfit witness given he has lied under oath and it is on record. OK, date now is postponed so the court can wait for his commanders investigation to be done. Went back 1 month later ... the commander says it wasn't that serious, so he can continue his duties, so now the judge has to allow the case to be heard .... we were like, ARE YOU SERIOUS! He LIED during a hearing, and was THROWN OUT by the residing judge!
His commander says ... no issue??? Come on.

That's the proof in my eyes ... there ARE bad cops even in Toronto ... and their commanders are turning a blind eye. It happens even here.

What about the cops caught stealing cocaine from a crime scene, or the cops charged with sexually assaulting/raping a new fellow female police recruit that had too much to drink? They are no saints ... and as far as I see it, some are the exact opposite. They ruin it for the majority of cops that want to do the right thing ... and believe me for everyone of these "bad" stories, I have a "very good" story about a cop that was compassionate and cared for the community. But do I trust the police implicitly?? No ways, not with that level of corruption and abuse of power that exists.

So you ask why I don't believe in police surveillance ... it's because of this ... too much corruption ... if they were perfect, I would have NO issue with it. But, they are not perfect, not even close.

[73hunter]

Well, my wife is an American Citizen ... but, probably better that I didn't say anything ... but it sucks, doesn't it.

I've also had experience with bad cops here ... not as bad as the NY incident, but definitely cops that wrongfully accused me of holding a cellphone (the cellphone was in the cup holder and I was on the cars BLUETOOTH having a call with a contractor! The ticket was thrown out in court!). But this cop treated me like I had murdered someone and would not listen, yelling at me and just wild ... in court he was there, and someone else was also challenging his ticket. On stand he was shouting at the guy and making faces like nodding violently up and down as if to say "YES IT IS, YES IT IS". I honestly thought the guy was on drugs or something. Then the defense questions him and he got pissed off about it, at the end of the questioning he's dismissed from the stand and walks to the back of the court where he proceeds to THROW his diary at a desk in anger, and push out a chair so hard that it hits the back wall of the court room. Everyone in there was like WTF??

On that day, they ran out of time and couldn't hear my case, so onwards to a new date. I show up for the new date ... cop isn't there. My defense attorney says he was caught lying under oath and the judge threw him out of the court room (he lied on another persons ticket and they caught him). We challenged to say he was an unfit witness given he has lied under oath and it is on record. OK, date now is postponed so the court can wait for his commanders investigation to be done. Went back 1 month later ... the commander says it wasn't that serious, so he can continue his duties, so now the judge has to allow the case to be heard .... we were like, ARE YOU SERIOUS! He LIED during a hearing, and was THROWN OUT by the residing judge!
His commander says ... no issue??? Come on.

That's the proof in my eyes ... there ARE bad cops even in Toronto ... and their commanders are turning a blind eye. It happens even here.

What about the cops caught stealing cocaine from a crime scene, or the cops charged with sexually assaulting/raping a new fellow female police recruit that had too much to drink? They are no saints ... and as far as I see it, some are the exact opposite. They ruin it for the majority of cops that want to do the right thing ... and believe me for everyone of these "bad" stories, I have a "very good" story about a cop that was compassionate and cared for the community. But do I trust the police implicitly?? No ways, not with that level of corruption and abuse of power that exists.

So you ask why I don't believe in police surveillance ... it's because of this ... too much corruption ... if they were perfect, I would have NO issue with it. But, they are not perfect, not even close.

3 days off work to fight a charge that you were not guilty of. That sucks.

[fishermccann]

Body cams that cannot be turned off.

[sawbill]

Yep, I can finally agree with something you said. Good for the accused and good for the officer.

[fishermccann]

Good for some officers....and some accused. It would clarify all, 'I said they said, I did they did ' arguments. Officer fired if turned off, period.

[terrym]

Good for some officers....and some accused. It would clarify all, 'I said they said, I did they did ' arguments. Officer fired if turned off, period.

I agree. Wow.

[fishfood]

Body cams that cannot be turned off.

They already talked about it then said it would be to expensive lol. Would be 20 to 50 million to equip them all with cameras minimum. But I guess if they can fund visa 50 million to do business in Canada they can afford 50 million for peice of mind on the police force [emoji106]..

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