MERs/Coronavirus - watching? Will it change your behaviour if it shows up in Canada?

[fishermccann]

With a mortality rate of just over 3% it's considered acceptable losses, not worth impacting travel and trade for 3%.

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And your thoughts now?

[oaknut]

And your thoughts now?

What of my thoughts? My thoughts are the same. The great silly socks didn't want to impact travel and trade, he chose to ignore the warnings from other countries so now we can follow suit. My words in that post were my imitation of govt.

Funny how a simpleton like myself could see how things were going to go but Trudeau couldn't see it.

Granted there's something bigger at play here in the decisions making department. It appears as though the govt wants the virus to sweep through the population.

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[JBen]

We will come through this better off than 98% of the world.

IF we do G, its only because of our small population density and IM not so humble opinion, the basic good, the basic "care for other humans" the vast majority of Canadians have. From what I can see anecdotally, the vast majority are taking social distancing seriously and without much fuss. Not due to anything governments, or high brows, do or don't do.

What remains to be seen, is whether or not, the vast majority of Canadians feel the same when the financial hardships start. I'm betting things will get be very different. I shared a great post on FB this am. It is so true.

"Funny how all these low skilled, un-educated jobs ( cleaners, delivery drivers, retail assistants, gas station attendants) that so many look down on are now on the frontline holding society together whilst we work from home. Those jobs aren't low skilled, they are essential to a functioning society and they should be paid as such"... End quote.

To put that into some perspective, what would your life be like without garbage collectors.......What would the next 2-3 months be like if they "worked from home". I have friends sharing memes about Nurses, etc. True yes, in this time they are going to shine. And we can expect casualties there. While hundreds are liking that post, calling them hero's.

Have we forgotten the lowly janitors keeping medical facilities sterile......................

And who I wonder, is going to get hit the hardest.......

[canadaman30]

As of yesterday Italy reported its highest death count in a day at 475. They are on course to surpass China. North America is on the same course just a couple weeks behind and gaining ground. Much of our country is still going to work everyday so we have no legitimate lockdown in this country whatsoever. More travelers landing home everyday infected from abroad.
Thinking we hit 1000 today

[mosquito]

Mosq. Back in January and February both you and Trim21 said the virus was not a problem ( as late as Feb 26th for T21), just media hype. Even though DR's and countries overseas were warning us. Then by March 4th. you were saying it was our present governments fault as they were not doing enough. you went from fake news, , to not doing enough in one week.You are still complaining about what is being done ,and what has been done, even when you were one of the last to admit the world had a serious situation. Get off your high horse, your denial was part of the problem. This health crisis would not be any different , no matter which political party is in power. We will come through this better off than 98% of the world.

When you look at the reality, it is still small numbers and alot of hype and fear, common sense is almost completely absent, hence the toilet paper hoarding, then it was even more hype and a bit of planning would have made a huge difference. But the Lib's live in unicorn and rainbow land and implementing something like what the Conservatives suggested... or even closing that illegal crossing... not happening!!
I also was the one that brought up the moron's in power should be screening (which was a Conservative idea repeated many times) and two months later the utter incompetence of the Liberals is still showing... still no screening as of last night! Their promises are nothing but lies and confetti tossed in the air to distract and they didn't even start that farce until after the PM's wife caught it. They could have done alot to spread out the curve as they call it now because the reality still is that people will have to return to work and it will spread again. With the current 69% are travellers if this goes the way of Italy they should face criminal charges in my opinion, even 10% of those caught then the curve could have been slowed... but no screening, then lies about it... beyond pathetic incompetence!

.... the alternative is deliberate sabotage and it's implications.

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

As of yesterday Italy reported its highest death count in a day at 475. They are on course to surpass China. North America is on the same course just a couple weeks behind and gaining ground. Much of our country is still going to work everyday so we have no legitimate lockdown in this country whatsoever. More travelers landing home everyday infected from abroad.
Thinking we hit 1000 today

All bets are off, I said it would be 500 by the weekend and it blew past that! 690 as of last update
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...infection.html


https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...ation-reports/
(New)
Globally
191 127confirmed (15 123)
7807 deaths (786)

[trimmer21]

Mosq. Back in January and February both you and Trim21 said the virus was not a problem ( as late as Feb 26th for T21), just media hype. Even though DR's and countries overseas were warning us. Then by March 4th. you were saying it was our present governments fault as they were not doing enough. you went from fake news, , to not doing enough in one week.You are still complaining about what is being done ,and what has been done, even when you were one of the last to admit the world had a serious situation. Get off your high horse, your denial was part of the problem. This health crisis would not be any different , no matter which political party is in power. We will come through this better off than 98% of the world.

What you've cited is 3 weeks to 2 months old. Data evolves and information becomes more readily available and more accurate. There's something we all need to think about and that's that out of the 400 million people who live in north America,as of today,there's still less than 10 thousand identified cases of Covid-19 with less than one thousand deaths. Are all the prescribed precautions prudent to stop the spread of the virus? Of course. Is all the hysteria being stoked by the media justified? I think we need to take a lot of it with healthy dose of skepticism. The media is driving some people into blind panic which is worse than the disease.
Our government has closed the border to all non-essential travel....except for migrant workers from Mexico and Central America and illegal immigrants sneaking across the border at unmanned entry points. I wish the government would stop trying to suck and blow at the same time.

[MarkB]

WE HAVE TO AVOID THE SITUATION IN ITALY!!!! FULL STOP!

This virus lives in healthy (non-symptomatic people) for days. This virus has a LOW mortality rate ONLY if people can get the right treatment.
When hospitals are over-capacity, they CANNOT treat everyone, so people die needlessly ... that means a 2% to 3% mortality rate turns into a 7% to 9% (and climbing) mortality rate.
If that happens ... take your family, a decide who out of each group of 10 is going to die ... you do it, because that is the decision doctors ARE facing in Italy. You REALLY want to go there???

I suspect some will simply say it won't happen, based on nothing ... just hot air ... but I also expect MOST of you agree ... it can happen (maybe we can argue the odds) and we need to avoid it.

So how do we avoid it? We suck, we are not prepared ... all we know is social distancing ... segregation ... stop the QUICK spread ... LORD knows our hospitals already have 3h wait times at Emergency on a normal day ... we are all screwed if we even have 3000 that are positive. It won't take much to break our health care system ... In the end, the best we can hope for, is that this feels like we over-reacted ... because that means it worked! You can't wait until 20% or 30% of the population is sick to react ... it is WAY WAY WAY too late. You need everyone healthy, and to stay healthy for this to work ... so it HAS to feel like we over-reacted. If it doesn't, it means that too many people got sick, and it didn't work!!

Lastly, I have second hand information that people who have symptoms are NOT being tested ... turned away from the hospital ... so this is even worse ... there are people with Symptoms that are not being counted, or treated, and in fact need to decide for themselves what the heck to do (go to pharmacy, groceries ... make others sick). Don't trust the official count ... it is meaningless ... infection rate is higher, just don't know by how much.

[73hunter]

Fisher: yes, attitudes by many have changed and there remain many who still need to change. You’re not wrong but pointing out that some have changed their attitudes as information has evolved doesn’t make you more right.

Mosquito: agreed - Liberals have been far too slow to stop flights from problem areas, shut borders and enact screening. No surprises given their voter base in the 416/905, but the horse has long left the barn.

I read that at any given time, there are 3 million Canadians out of the country. I just wonder how many of those are Canadians that live, work and pay taxes here and how many are citizens of convenience that hold dual citizenship ?

[JBen]

Nice post MarkB.
We suck, we are not prepared ... all we know is social distancing ... segregation ... stop the QUICK spread ... LORD knows our hospitals already have 3h wait times at Emergency on a normal day ..

This and some other things is something I've been trying to highlight.

"liberals".
Yes, there is some or a lot of truth to this. FFS, just, just think about what this is, and is going to be like for Alberta. With respect to the 416/905. Again, truth to that/this.

As always, I like to mix in a little "reality" for perspective. My fiancé is high risk. She has been working contract at Trent U. For people on our side of the tracks ( outside the centre of the universe) a pretty good gig. But why contract? Well look around the province and the same old same , thats been argued for 15 FN years............Trent had another 4-6 month contract lined up for her when this one ends in 2 more weeks. Given reality, is that still going to be there?

Me?
I have been going for numerous test since December. Drs are trying to determine something. I am being screened for Cancer. So far, all test have been negative. My next one....now...is a hematologist in May. Others have been cancelled. For all we know I have Cancer and its spreading....tick tock.....
So not only have we been dealing with that, theres a fairly decent chance that whatever is going on, I may be high risk as well....

I was, or am, however you want to word it between jobs. My prospects of starting work soon?..............And even if I did, I now have to weigh the 'risk". If I come down with it, she is in a world of trouble.............

I seriously doubt, I or we are the only people in the world likely to be crushed by this one way or the other.

Sure, it's easy to blame the Liberals for a lot. Whether the current Federal admin, thats screwed Albertans over nine ways to Sunday. Ontario provincial Liberals that did soooooooooooooooooo much damage to this province, and especially the "less fortunate". Like those struggling to pay Hydro, and now.............

But I anyways, strongly suspect Cons wouldn't have been much better. Whats FORD done since getting into QP?

squat.....really, if your honest.
and with respect to Covid. What's he done? He, to just in recent days started ordering schools closed, put restrictions on bars, gatherings,

Hell, despite the FACT anyone can oder booze online and has been able to for a couple years.....The LCBO is still open.
Guess buck a beer is more important as well.

[JBen]

Forgot, there was a reason I mentioned all those people that struggle with the high cost this/that,Carbon taxes, fees and Hydro.

Funny, he can "fire" Hydro 1s CEO, but he can't order the OESB to force them to change time of use for "off peak" 24/7 for the next month or 3.

funny that