MERs/Coronavirus - watching? Will it change your behaviour if it shows up in Canada?

[blasted_saber]

Please understand that I'm in no way advocating for ignoring independent qualified advice. You raise some excellent points about being prepared "just in case".

Thank-you. A quarantine could happy in the blink of an eye. Even ignoring the actual sickness, if the police are enforcing a lockdown, then you could be perfectly healthy but unable to go and buy basic foodstuffs. Its happening in Italy right now, and if it can happen there, it can happen here.

[73hunter]

Thank-you. A quarantine could happy in the blink of an eye. Even ignoring the actual sickness, if the police are enforcing a lockdown, then you could be perfectly healthy but unable to go and buy basic foodstuffs. Its happening in Italy right now, and if it can happen there, it can happen here.

absolutely correct, I saw the story from northern Italy and figured the same thing. We are buying add’l dry and canned goods too, not going to the extent of being a “prepper” , but have to be somewhat ready for these things. Oatmeal, rice, pasta, extra drinking water,

[mosquito]

Not a bad idea, for my gardening work I have got some of the large plastic buckets from a local restaurant but they would work good for food storage and are marked food grade. They usually throw them in the recycle so just asking for a few at a restaurant you know the owner and he can likely stock you up with buckets enough for the 100 years war.

I've been down with a bug for about a week now that has left me tired (probably slept 20+ hrs Saturday) and just keeps hanging on. Alot of people are down with colds and the flu but something that happens every year (flu/cold etc.) or medical mistakes (70,000*) are a generally known problem... no surprise, little uncertainty... they happen ....
* https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ticle30610569/

SARs, MERs, Wuhan Caronavirus .... unknowns, treatment.... unclear, change in the viruses behaviour, it's possible.... the unknown virus is what is the biggest concern... as a comparison look at the Spanish flu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio).It is estimated that approximately 30 million were killed by the flu, or about 1.7% of the world population died. Other estimates range from 17 to 55 million fatalities.

This flu killed more people in 24 weeks than HIV/AIDS killed in 24 years.[58] However, the Black Death killed a much higher percentage of the world's then smaller population.[59]

The disease killed in every area of the globe. As many as 17 million people died in India, about 5% of the population.[60] The death toll in India's British-ruled districts was 13.88 million.[61]

In Japan, 23 million people were affected, with at least 390,000 reported deaths.[62] In the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia), 1.5 million were assumed to have died among 30 million inhabitants.[63] In Tahiti, 13% of the population died during one month. Similarly, in Samoa 22% of the population of 38,000 died within two months.[64]

In New Zealand, the flu killed an estimated 6,400 Europeans and 2,500 indigenous Maori in six weeks. [65] Geoffrey Rice has found that Maori died at eight times the rate of Europeans.[66]

In Iran, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.[67]

In the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 675,000 died (0.48 to 0.64 percent of the population).[68] Native American tribes were particularly hard hit. In the Four Corners area, there were 3,293 registered deaths among Native Americans. Entire Inuit and Alaskan Native village communities died in Alaska. In Canada, 50,000 died. In Brazil, 300,000 died, including president Rodrigues Alves.[72] In Britain, as many as 250,000 died; in France, more than 400,000.



That in an age it took a week to get to Europe or Asia from North America... ignoring timezones you could have breakfast in Toronto and afternoon tea in England and late dinner in Tel Aviv (based on travel time, ignoring timezones). The opportunity for spread is huge, a passenger from Wuhan might make two stop overs on his way to England and that is two planes of people exposed and they are off to their destinations.... and at even say 1.5% instead of 3% .... 7,000,000,000 people... ugly math!

[Fisherman]

Air travel should have been stopped right at the start. But you know self entitled people that just have to go on vacation to these sewage lagoons of the world. Business travel, get on the program with video conferences, no need to be there in person.

[js4fn]

March break is coming up soon. That could spread it around

[Bushmoose]

I have to scratch my head when I see or hear the word "prepper" and the way many folks treat those who are, with a sense of mockery or ridicule. The word automatically brings out a vision of someone with a bomb proof shelter, loaded with guns and years worth of supplies? And for that reason, people tend to avoid the apparent stigma of being labelled such by hiding the fact they might have a few extra supplies on hand just in case of emergency. No one dares refer to themselves as a "prepper".
Our society is so dependent on others for their well being. They to turn on the tap and expect water to pour out. Hit the light switch and lights to come on. Go to the store and have food available and the debit machine to work. It goes on and on and includes almost every facet of our daily lives. Yet when gov't officials themselves, advise people to be prepared for a week or two of possible lock-down, it's treated with a puzzled look and steadfast denial of having to get "prepared". ie "prepper"
If things get serious, and I hope it doesn't, I won't be eating granola sandwiches, it'll be roast beef n mashed taters because it could be said that I'm a prepper. LOL

[canadaman30]

Yep just 250 yards from the restaurant they accused lol.

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Who only knows what else they have hidden away in that lab?...

[mosquito]

Air travel should have been stopped right at the start. But you know self entitled people that just have to go on vacation to these sewage lagoons of the world. Business travel, get on the program with video conferences, no need to be there in person.

Spanish flu didn't need air travel.... and still... "This flu killed more people in 24 weeks than HIV/AIDS killed in 24 years."

But the impact...
Expect the coronavirus to bring 'social distancing' to Canada
https://torontosun.com/news/national...ing-to-canada?

The most recent such document, updated by Health Canada in 2018, charts four different levels of severity of global pandemic. Every scenario includes some form of school disruption and workplace absenteeism.

“Social distancing measures or strategies may be used to minimize close contact among persons in public places, e.g., pro-active school closures; cancellation or modification of public gatherings; and alternative workplace approaches, such as teleconferences and working from home,” the Health Canada report notes.

On Wednesday, the U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) announced what they believed was the first instance of community spread in their country, where someone who has not travelled abroad contracts it. The CDC added that Americans should be prepared for social distancing measures to be introduced in their communities.


As for the CDC, it is a good place to get a better idea of the reality.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
and the map
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cases.html#map

World Health.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...ation-reports/
and today's report.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...vrsn=47fdaf7_4
Globally 82 294confirmed (1185new)
China
78 630confirmed (439new)2747deaths (29new)
Outside of China
3664confirmed (746new)46 countries (9 new)57 deaths (13 new)

and 2 weeks ago on the 14th
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...vrsn=61dda7d_2
Globally 49053 laboratory-confirmed (2056new)
China
48 548 laboratory-confirmed (1998 new)1381 deaths (121new)†
Outside of China
505 laboratory-confirmed (58 new)24 countries2 deaths (1 new)

[trimmer21]

I have to scratch my head when I see or hear the word "prepper" and the way many folks treat those who are, with a sense of mockery or ridicule. The word automatically brings out a vision of someone with a bomb proof shelter, loaded with guns and years worth of supplies? And for that reason, people tend to avoid the apparent stigma of being labelled such by hiding the fact they might have a few extra supplies on hand just in case of emergency. No one dares refer to themselves as a "prepper".
Our society is so dependent on others for their well being. They to turn on the tap and expect water to pour out. Hit the light switch and lights to come on. Go to the store and have food available and the debit machine to work. It goes on and on and includes almost every facet of our daily lives. Yet when gov't officials themselves, advise people to be prepared for a week or two of possible lock-down, it's treated with a puzzled look and steadfast denial of having to get "prepared". ie "prepper"
If things get serious, and I hope it doesn't, I won't be eating granola sandwiches, it'll be roast beef n mashed taters because it could be said that I'm a prepper. LOL

Remember the 2003 eastern power grid failure? I do. People were freakin' out because the couldn't use ATM's,they couldn't cook food or boil water without their stoves and were in general PO mode. It was lucky the failure didn't last any more than 3 days or they would have come completely unglued. Even though I have an all gas home, I keep Coleman gear and a couple of gallons of camp fuel handy,some extra cash in case the ATM's go down and extra dry goods and canned food around enough for a few days,at least. Better safe than sorry. Getting out during a quarantine would be problematic,but,food and medicine can always be delivered.

[jaycee]

Remember the 2003 eastern power grid failure? I do. People were freakin' out because the couldn't use ATM's,they couldn't cook food or boil water without their stoves and were in general PO mode. It was lucky the failure didn't last any more than 3 days or they would have come completely unglued. Even though I have an all gas home, I keep Coleman gear and a couple of gallons of camp fuel handy,some extra cash in case the ATM's go down and extra dry goods and canned food around enough for a few days,at least. Better safe than sorry. Getting out during a quarantine would be problematic,but,food and medicine can always be delivered.

Last year in early may, a big windstorm knocked out out hydro for 4 days, we were OK as our gen. supplied elec. for the necessities, ie; water pump , sump pump, two freezers full of food, one fridge and most of our lights, we cooked on the woodstove which also supplied some heat and we used the BBQ.
No big deal we were /are prepared.
Also back in 2003, the only thing different was that I had to rent a gen.