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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    Last year alone in Toronto I believe the number was around 75 million. Just where do you think that money comes from, trees, or tax payers?...
    That $75 million was for both refugees and asylum seekers. Give me a number for refugees please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dythbringer View Post
    That $75 million was for both refugees and asylum seekers. Give me a number for refugees please.
    25000 Syrian refugees will cost 1.2 billion over six years to resettle them here in Canada. Who do you think is footing the bill for that? How much do you think it costs tax payers? Not even mentioning illegal asylum seekers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    25000 Syrian refugees will cost 1.2 billion over six years to resettle them here in Canada. Who do you think is footing the bill for that? How much do you think it costs tax payers? Not even mentioning illegal asylum seekers.
    Interesting. In this article:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fact...ners-1.2670735
    and a link in the story with even lower numbers: https://ccrweb.ca/en/pensioners-myth

    It says that refugees get assistance support for only a single year providing they need it. On top of that, it also claims that a refugee family in Ontario gets $2 065 as a one time start up allowance and then an estimated monthly support of $768 (although that may vary depending on where in Ontario they are located). So each refugee costs us roughly $11 000 per year based on my numbers and the grand total is $2.8 billion for one year. This assistance is only available for people who are not privately sponsored.

    This is hardly $7.6 billion over 6 years because after the year is finished, the refugees aren't eligible for payments. We don't always take in 25 000 refugees in Toronto.. Last year, we took in 29 000 in the entire country so that number per year fluctuates. Also, since many refugees come here with no money, the Canadian government loans them money for both flight tickets and mandatory medical exams, which we expect them to pay with interest. I am not sure why you think that giving them less than the poverty rate in order to help them start a new life in order to contribute financially to Canada is a bad thing.
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    No one should be allowed to immigrate to this country unless (a) they have a marketable skill (b) they have no criminal record or subversive political affiliation and (c) they're 100% sponsored by a Canadian citizen for a minimum of 3 years. Not one thin dime of the cost should be borne by the taxpayers.
    If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dythbringer View Post
    Interesting. In this article:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fact...ners-1.2670735
    and a link in the story with even lower numbers: https://ccrweb.ca/en/pensioners-myth

    It says that refugees get assistance support for only a single year providing they need it. On top of that, it also claims that a refugee family in Ontario gets $2 065 as a one time start up allowance and then an estimated monthly support of $768 (although that may vary depending on where in Ontario they are located). So each refugee costs us roughly $11 000 per year based on my numbers and the grand total is $2.8 billion for one year. This assistance is only available for people who are not privately sponsored.

    This is hardly $7.6 billion over 6 years because after the year is finished, the refugees aren't eligible for payments. We don't always take in 25 000 refugees in Toronto.. Last year, we took in 29 000 in the entire country so that number per year fluctuates. Also, since many refugees come here with no money, the Canadian government loans them money for both flight tickets and mandatory medical exams, which we expect them to pay with interest. I am not sure why you think that giving them less than the poverty rate in order to help them start a new life in order to contribute financially to Canada is a bad thing.
    So you are answering your own question, how much is it costing me and every other tax payer? Far to much imo, we could spend that money on our own citizens getting them education so they can contribute to our society, but instead the hell with Canadians we can pay our own way even though theres many who want to go to school and have not enough money while they watch refugees handed the golden spoon when they arrive.. disgusting liberal government

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    So you are answering your own question, how much is it costing me and every other tax payer? Far to much imo, we could spend that money on our own citizens getting them education so they can contribute to our society, but instead the hell with Canadians we can pay our own way even though theres many who want to go to school and have not enough money while they watch refugees handed the golden spoon when they arrive.. disgusting liberal government
    Yes I did answer my own question because you were not. You were making facts up to support an anti-refugee bias you have for some reason.

    $11 000 for one refugee is not too much money when that refugee will be supporting your CPP for their working career and contributing to your health care with their income tax. Tell you what, since there are 36 million people in Canada and each refugee costs $11 000 that works out to roughly 0.0003 cents per person in Canada per refugee. Since 2016 was the year that the Syrian refugee influx happened and the number of total refugees for that year was 46 700 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/record...1980-1.3382444) , please let me know in a PM where I can send a cheque to you for a $14 to cover how much money you lost in that year to all of these nasty refugees.

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    Well said, D.... They always say it's about the money, when really,......... it is not about the money.
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    Dyth your numbers are off not everyone works. Could probably split that number in half almost lol.

    Then you who pays for the rent? I think the government also pays for alot of the places they are staying. Look at all the hotel costs.

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    How much was the crowbar hotel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dythbringer View Post
    Yes I did answer my own question because you were not. You were making facts up to support an anti-refugee bias you have for some reason.

    $11 000 for one refugee is not too much money when that refugee will be supporting your CPP for their working career and contributing to your health care with their income tax. Tell you what, since there are 36 million people in Canada and each refugee costs $11 000 that works out to roughly 0.0003 cents per person in Canada per refugee. Since 2016 was the year that the Syrian refugee influx happened and the number of total refugees for that year was 46 700 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/record...1980-1.3382444) , please let me know in a PM where I can send a cheque to you for a $14 to cover how much money you lost in that year to all of these nasty refugees.
    Why not a more recent article instead of something 3 years ago... after all since then there have been way more than 50,000 more "irregular" refugees.
    https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics...tatistics.aspx


    https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...-75m-this-year
    "the $75 million does not include the $1 million per month that is being shelled out to house 200 refugees at the former North York Hydro building on Yonge St. That would bring next year’s tab to $87-million."

    "This is on top of the $108 million for emergency hotel and motel spaces already approved in July. Robbinson said they’re currently using nine hotels — four for refugee claimants and five for non-refugees– and that the tab covers both refugee claimants and regular shelter users (the traditional homeless).

    She said there are currently 2,400 refugee clients in the system. Some 1,800 are in hotels, 400 are still in shelters and 200 have transferred to the $1-million-a-month shelter at 5,800 Yonge St."


    So $87M + $109M.... just for Toronto.



    .... while CTV article says the "irregular" (illegal) entry is at $400,000,000 for Canada.... in one year
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/irregu...says-1.4197552

    "between 2017 through next fiscal year, this prime minister is choosing to spend $1.1 billion on essentially what amounts to the abuse of our asylum system. Some of the numbers in here are absolutely shocking," Rempel said in response to the PBO report."


    .... so we are spending over a billion, the shelters are full and those working with the homeless are calling it an emergency.... yet we keep letting more illegal migrants .. oh sorry ... .irregular immigrants come....
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...onto-1.5400781
    and the homeless with no place to go die...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...onto-1.5358048


    But hey we got a few to leave .... no real dent in the 50,000 that were supposed to but...
    https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ov...ing-in-canada/
    Over 50,000 immigrants, many who illegally entered Canada through the border, were ordered deported but remain in the country,

    ...Over the past three years, the RCMP has intercepted 56,515 immigrants illegally entering Canada—mainly deriving from Hati and Nigeria. The vast majority of these immigrants remain in the country.

    Much of this is owed to opaque bureaucratic red-tape. Any individual, for instance, can appeal their deportation notice to the Immigration and Refugee Board. After this, they can then ask a judge to review the case.

    As a result of this, there is now a backlog of 64,929 cases relating to illegal immigration.
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