It's Official

[fishermccann]

Normal.. you mean where everybody agrees. Everyone nodding in agreement. To me a good discussion should have apposing viewpoints. Enjoy your circle jerk. ( look up the definition if you must).

[Dythbringer]

I’ve often wondered why municipal government is needed at all. One province with one set of rules for all to follow. Turn them into administrators rather than decision makers.

Because the differences in population densities of Ontario mean different municipalities have different needs. For instance, trash collection makes sense for urban areas and in most of Southern Ontario. Up north, in the sparser portions of province, trash collection is unrealistic. Furthermore, since we are a commonwealth nation, taxes raised in rural areas would be used for trash collection in urban areas (much like Province hands some money to Toronto for the TTC).

[Dythbringer]

Normal.. you mean where everybody agrees. Everyone nodding in agreement. To me a good discussion should have apposing viewpoints. Enjoy your circle jerk. ( look up the definition if you must).

Circle jerk comment is uncalled for.

[jaycee]

Normal.. you mean where everybody agrees. Everyone nodding in agreement. To me a good discussion should have apposing viewpoints. Enjoy your circle jerk. ( look up the definition if you must).

I guess that you must participate in them quite often as you know all about them!

[fishermccann]

I did mean the figurative meaning not the literal..ie. Engaged in for mutual gratification. Some on here can dish out the insults ,but can't take them. I have been insulted on here many, many time, 'suck it up buttercup', is what I hear.

[LoR]

Wrong, look it up. Please. As I have explained to JBen and others on here , as stated by his beloved Frazer Institute, ( con. think tank), that in 2014 (the last years data available) on line, that Toronto sent out 9 BILLION more money out of the GTA ,to the rest of the province, than they took in. Money to pay for all the stuff in small town Ontario. If Toronto kept all their money , most towns could not afford their hospital, or smaller towns a snow plow or garbage truck. The province of Ontario is subsidized, by Toronto and the GTA, like it or not.

“Explained”?
Try argued, which doesn’t mean your right. Or wrong.

And as I “explained” ( pointed out, aka gave you something to think about) to you.

Two words.
300,000,000 debt.
Which is just a number.

Debt.....to......GDP

The gta doesn’t carry its weight G. Nor did the FI delve into everything.

Like how much numerous, countless infrastructure projects have cost tax payers

Over the very many years. The wetland canal, the 400 series, airports, serious subsidies to industry ( luring companies) , Hydro subsidies to the same, and on and on and on. Want more that FI didn't delve into? How much do Hydro plants cost? Be they coal, Nuclear or wind......And who do you think needs all that power???? Those areas of Ontario that are black or night, or that area you can see from the moon at night....let alone the day, when industry and more is truly humming.........Along with the lights, AC, bazillions of Computers and TVs.....



“If you build it, they will come”
And they have come. The GTA gets about 70% of all immigration, it gets companies, industry and commerce..... all things that have made the GTA a world class city, one of the wealthiest in Canada.........

Your job, your pension, your house and it’s market value, and far more...

Thanks to the tax payers of Ontario....and 325,000,000 debt. .............
How you can “explain” away that, and more importantly argue the GTA carries its weight when debt to gdp is 38%.......
your arguing the world is flat.

Now, if you want make a case that these days decades after the Welland has been built, the 401 (just the busiest Highway in NA, just the most important that sees oh so much commerce and money flow into "your" pocket), airports, and much more. That for every dollar it gets, it sends out more. "Who knows"

What is abundantly clear, it that the GTA is abundantly rich thanks to the tax payers of Ontario, all of them. Thanks to debt, and infratcure and tax breaks and subsidies to companies and much much much more. And Debt to GDP of 38% ( not enough income..gdp for all that debt) and wealth.......

"Trickle down" or out economics are BS....We have 60 years of stats to prove that.....Or if you want the coles notes
If Trickle down/Out worked...The wealth gap between the haves (Upper Middle class and beyond) and have nots (lower middle class and down) would be getting narrower...........Not wider

"Food for thought"

[LoR]

Kind of interesting reading through the middle pages drivel.

We have people like G, claiming to want meaningful discussion, wanting to offer differing viewpoints/perspectives, suggesting that if you don't swim with the current here like lemmings..................But then also attacks someone, who A) rarely visits anymore, and B) post even less because to a degree he's right. So brave of you G and Jaycee......

If you aren't a lemming swimming with the current.......Difference being, I won't put up with the children. Could less about "right" and "wrong".....We are entitled to our opinions and anyone that reads the TOS........ So its not about me being "right", its about my opinion, my perspective on A B or C. Don't agree it, don't see quite that way...No problem.....Express your opinion, don't reply, don't quote, and certainly don't go after someone, or their opinion...stick to yours.......If you decide to go after someone or their opinion as you have ( so mature of you both when you feel safe), don't cry when you don't like the answer.....Because I will defend my opinion, its mine.....

I never start crap, I will finish it...

Children here are humorous.
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More food for thought...don't give a rats behind if anyone agrees or not. Express your opinion and that can be done without any trouble what-so-ever....

Ford campaigned on reducing waste, reducing bloat. He campaigned on doing so, without going after front line workers by finding inefficiencies. Translation, the bureaucracy. What is Toronto city council but the living breathing epitome of waste and inefficiency? Yet many are up in arms that he didn't campaign on it........Maybe, if the spoon fed, spoiled councillors and wannabes had accepted the legal right of the province to act........in the first place......He wouldn't have had to utilize the NWC..."funny that"...But for some reason people are up in arms, blaming Ford.....instead of city council and beurcrats who think and thought better.....


On the topic of the GTAs tax contributions. It is entirely possible the GTA ponies up somewhat more than it receives. But when debt to GDP is 38%, the inescapable truth is........no-one is carrying their weight. And it's only taken both left wing and right wing economist saying over and over and over. The province has to hold spending at the least, find savings even better......AND....raise revenue....

Curious how anyone can "argue" that the GTA carries it's weight when.........

But if we really want to venture down that rabbit hole and pissing match perhaps the question should be....Does the GTA contribute enough...given....all the tax breaks and subsidies companies and people have received over the very, many years, to lure industry and commerce and jobs......lots of jobs, lots of high paying jobs.....

Given the decades the people of Ontario have gone into substantial debt, paid to build it to accomplish the same........Turning it into one of the wealthiest cities in the country..........let alone the province.....

Not remotely

imo.