Another Mass Killing /Senseless In U.S.

[mosquito]

For trap shooting after school I used to walk in the front door with a shotgun and box of ammo in each hand once a week ... shotgun was in a case of course. The secretary about a month later raised a stink about making sure it wasn't stolen so I had to use the shop door after that since we stored them in the locked closet in the shop teachers room.

They were talking on the news about the criteria and what is considered a mass shooting too, if you look at even Wikipedia you can see them talking about that there and how some include near schools and murder suicides etc. It is a problem but some don't want to seem to take a look at real solutions like having a person trained etc.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/ma...rnd/index.html
there is even a good video of what happens when a person with training is there .... and it was outside a school too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-mother.html

Here in Ontario alot of schools have police visits and some of the idiots out there are protesting that it intimidates some of the kids .... I say GOOD, some may need intimidating then! Those visits may also encourage others but the nut cases police haters don't care about the reality or implications.

[jaycee]

In the U.S. there have been 22 mass shootings in schools since the beginning of the year as reported in an article in the news paper , where do these wacko''s come from?, what is wrong with these people down in the great U.S. of A. ?

[mosquito]

It's not unique to the US, there are similar issues in many countries. It depends on the criteria, those involved etc. That number 22 is possibly the number they talked about that included near schools, suicides etc. but the US isn't alone. Canada has 1/10th the populaton and has had vans on sidewalks, an attack on Parliament hill, mass shootings etc. my son's school has been on lock and hold atleast 4 times this year already. Nothing in the school but crimes near by.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4166169/d...urders-canada/
or massacres including a van, crossbow, stabbings, gang related....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cres_in_Canada

Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia

Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acres_in_Japan

Great Britain seems to get more terrorist attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain

I didn't see a France has quite the terrorist list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ents_in_France
and massacre list including deliberate airplane crashes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cres_in_France


There is a summary list here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...res_by_country


We get alot of the US news and almost nothing from the rest of the world so it is a problem elsewhere too but the media only tells us what they want us to know is part of it and the rest is that they do have a problem ... but other than increased security the solution of taking away guns, knives etc don't stop the worst so following up on reports and people's concerns will help for a few but the rest ??????

[Rodbender]

What I don’t understand is the guns existed when we were younger but no one would think of killing like this. What he changed? Movies ? Video games? Cause it’s not the access to guns. I used to bring a gun in the trunk of my car all the time to go hunting ducks and geese after school?

Brampton 1975 I was 8 years old but knew people at that school that day

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/new...ort-of-thing-/

[jaycee]

It depends on the criteria, those involved etc. That number 22 is possibly the number they talked about that included near schools, suicides etc.

22 is that actual number of shootings at schools
;www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html

There has been, on average, 1 school shooting every week this year.

We're only 20 weeks into 2018, and there have already been 22 school shootings where someone was hurt or killed. That averages out to more than 1 shooting a week.

[mosquito]

Yep, about what I would expect from CNN.... as wide a criteria as possible, the whole country and as many parameters as possible.

The parameters CNN followed in this count are:

• A shooting that involved at least one person being shot (not including the shooter)
• A shooting that occurred on school grounds
• We included grades K through college/university level
• We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence
• We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met

but I am surprised they listed them, disclosure of facts is rare for CNN.... 4 or more were accidental shootings, 1 with a BB gun, they included the dormitories (3+ there) and actually said that the shooter and victim weren't students for one and I am very surprised it wasn't just 3 shot at the March 20th one instead of the truth about an armed resource officer shooting the shooter. Not good, but if you used their open ended criteria you could safely say there were almost 400 shootings in Toronto and almost 600 casualties if you want to open the door to anything, probably higher if you include accidents etc..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto



Reminds me of this "study"
https://globalnews.ca/news/3333517/e...o-study-warns/
"youth" was up to 25 years old and ...

“Injuries from gun violence were assault-related only 25 per cent of the time. That means 75 per cent were accidental and shouldn’t have happened, Saunders said.
Seventy-five per cent are totally preventable by simple safety measures,” Saunders said. The researchers say this is a key message from the study they’re hoping to relay to families, policy-makers and gun manufacturers.

Guns shouldn’t be in homes with children present, Saunders said, and if they are, they should be stored safely, locked away and separated from ammunition.

The study didn’t zero in on what kinds of firearms were used — they could be handguns, rifles, shotguns or “play guns”



"Play guns"... paintball, airsoft......up to 25 .... no distinction on gangs.... that's casting the same kind of attention seeking net as the CNN numbers it looks like.