Las Vegas Mass Killing

[Dythbringer]

The illegal gun violence we see in Canada is from guns smuggled into Canada from the US. Theres massive profits in it. I believe vicecity did a documentary on it. A gun you can get in Detroit for $150 you can sell in Canada for $2000. Don't play that stupid BS card about them going to ban all guns. It's assault rifles and mag restrictions. Our laws up here are fine and shouldn't be touched. You don't defend your home with an assault rifle, hence the ASSAULT name.

Pleas stop referring to the firearms used in this horrific act as assault rifles. A requirement for assault rifles is to have selective fire. Employing a device or altering the firearm's internal components to alter a semi-automatic firearm's rate of fire doesn't make them assault rifles.

[Sharon]

This will be an irrelevant stat, but I was curious how many mass shootings in Canada this year: 1.
Quebec mosque six dead, 18 injured.

I guess that depends on your definition of "mass". 3 Mounties killed in Moncton and how many in Alberta?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...rial-1.4103205

[fratri]

Which loopholes?

Gun control won't fix the problem--just the symptom. Society needs to be fixed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...975_story.html

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/...le-Control.htm

This is the type of loophole I am referring to....
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...nd-checks.html
IMO gun laws in the US need to be tightened up.....

[awndray]

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/sma...ground-checks/

[Snowwalker]

The illegal gun violence we see in Canada is from guns smuggled into Canada from the US. Theres massive profits in it. I believe vicecity did a documentary on it. A gun you can get in Detroit for $150 you can sell in Canada for $2000. Don't play that stupid BS card about them going to ban all guns. It's assault rifles and mag restrictions. Our laws up here are fine and shouldn't be touched. You don't defend your home with an assault rifle, hence the ASSAULT name.

In Canada you can not defend your home, your Family, or even your person. Some guy attacks you with a knife/bat/lead pipe/weapon of any kind, just punching him in the nose will get you charges and jail time.

So your "You don't defend....." statement is BS. BUT since it was not used in assaulting, being it was in fact used in defence, would that not make it a "DEFENCE RIFLE"?

[mosquito]

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/sma...ground-checks/

A website that their only purpose seems to be to blame the firearm ..... oh well facts never stopped alot of reporters anymore.

Alot still not adding up on this, some of the bursts of fire you hear sounds like 100 round or belt fed bursts, they sure aren't your average 20 or 30 round mag, that and some of the videos talking about other floors, who his guest was (room said 2 people and he had apparently ordered 2 dinners at a time.) .... and the one guy that knows why is dead and they haven't said what was on the note.

Now as far as drunk driving etc. vehicle accidents are far higher in number that murder according to the WHO.
http://www.who.int/violence_injury_p...inal2.pdf?ua=1
and Canada doesn't fare too well
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#499d35f2f5ca

Someone committed an illegal act and may have illegally modified a semi-automatic rifle and people are blaming the piece of metal... I guess that's why England has the "Ban the knife, save a life" protests, ignoring it was a vehicle that killed 8 an injured 40 in June this year... seems like they don't want to put the money into education, accountability and safety which take alot longer to make a real change and are alot harder. The figures (as quoted and linked to earlier) on the number of gang related murders and crimes (missing from the thetrace link above) and seem to dismiss the reality of the violence.

If people are dedicated to murder because of ideology or revenge they will find a way, an example is suicide bombers in 2016 killed 5,650 people... 800 people so dedicated to violence they would kill themselves while killing the people attacked.
http://www.inss.org.il/publication/s...er-fatalities/

OH and vehicle crashes in 2015..."Crashes took 35,092 lives in the U.S. in 2015."
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/ge...enger-vehicles


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 199,752
Deaths per 100,000 population: 62.6

All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 51,966
Deaths per 100,000 population: 16.3

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 33,594
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5
..
In 2014, 33,594 persons died from firearm injuries in the United States
,accounting for 16.8% of all injury deaths
...The two major component causes of firearm injury deaths in 2014 were suicide (63.7%) and homicide (32.8%).



Looks like poisoning is more dangerous, vehicles in the US kill about the same as firearms, both will have suicides (not the same %) but looking at just homicides there are about 80% of the murders that are gang related .... and the problem is the firearm??????? The old argument about not needing a semi-automatic to hunt can be taken to the pump (Australia), lever action and down to only allowing single shots...... muzzleloader, bow only .... heck some would be not happy with allowing a bolo and atlatl too.

In Canada you can not defend your home, your Family, or even your person. Some guy attacks you with a knife/bat/lead pipe/weapon of any kind, just punching him in the nose will get you charges and jail time.

So your "You don't defend....." statement is BS. BUT since it was not used in assaulting, being it was in fact used in defence, would that not make it a "DEFENCE RIFLE"?

Yep, Canada sure has some f***** up laws, I wonder who came up with the curl up in a ball and p*** yourself idea of defense?

I wouldn't call this a loophole, you can do the same in Toronto, Kitchener, Windsor Ontario, talk to the right people and illegal guns can be purchased here, any police dept. will confirm this.

It is the Washington Post (Toronto Star but worse) but some it is relevant to perceptions and realities
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.8dcc82ad623e
Canada bans most guns and has a minuscule number of gun-
related homicides a year. But, worried about smuggled firearms from the United States, its government is preparing to stiffen its already tough gun laws and step up border surveillance. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has promised new regulations and a string of measures to counter gun smuggling, which is regarded here as a dangerous problem underscoring the United States’ much looser firearm laws.
...

“Unfortunately it is easier to get a gun illegally in Canada than it is to get one legally,” said Blair Hagen, executive vice president of the National Firearms Association.

Handguns in Canada are mostly forbidden — with an exception for types used for target shooting. So are machine guns, silencers and large magazines. Semiautomatics are heavily restricted.

To obtain a gun license, Canadians must go through extensive background checks that include criminal-record and mental health checks as well as interviews with family members and former spouses. The application process can take up to six months.

Nothing in the Canadian constitution even remotely implies a right to own a firearm. Still, Canada is a nation of about 2 million registered gun owners — mostly hunters — who own an estimated 10 million to 20 million firearms.

[jaycee]

This is the type of loophole I am referring to....
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...nd-checks.html
IMO gun laws in the US need to be tightened up.....

I wouldn't call this a loophole, you can do the same in Toronto, Kitchener, Windsor Ontario, talk to the right people and illegal guns can be purchased here, any police dept. will confirm this.

[Nina Martin]

I guess that depends on your definition of "mass". 3 Mounties killed in Moncton and how many in Alberta?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...rial-1.4103205

If you read my quote, “this year.” Those Mounties killed in Alberta was 2005 and Moncton was 2014.

[dutchhunter]

You're an F'in tool if you don't think they need better gun control, the states have a mass shooting a day. There is absolutely zero reason to own a assault rifle either full or semi automatic. Those rifles are not designed to take hunting or for self defence. They're designed to kill people. Since sandy hook there have been 1518 mass shootings with nothing done to solve the issue. Nevada is an open carry state, tell me how many people were saved? 0, there were plenty of people with guns at the show. If you don't think there shouldn't be better firearms control. You should personally talk to every family that was effected by this and explain your reasoning. Also go to the children's families of sandy hook and explain why their children didn't deserve to live but yours do.

Thu already have laws against murder. Against assault with a weapon.
How would more gun laws help when someone goes this crazy.

[GW11]

The illegal gun violence we see in Canada is from guns smuggled into Canada from the US. Theres massive profits in it. I believe vicecity did a documentary on it. A gun you can get in Detroit for $150 you can sell in Canada for $2000. Don't play that stupid BS card about them going to ban all guns. It's assault rifles and mag restrictions. Our laws up here are fine and shouldn't be touched. You don't defend your home with an assault rifle, hence the ASSAULT name.

So you assume the same people that would label an SKS or AR an "assault rifle" wouldn't also label your scoped bolt action hunting rifle as a "sniper rifle"? Glad you don't speak for all of us Bonkers.

As for illegal gun violence... you confirmed my original point. Just because you make something illegal doesn't make it stop. Magazine restrictions and bans on certain types of firearms won't stop people from using them for illegal activity. Laws don't matter to the criminal, evil or insane.

Mass shootings are illegal...

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