Wind farms killing with impunity

[Bonkers]

More birds are killed by skyscrapers then wind turbines but I don't see a single member here bringing that up. Why are you not telling the cities to tear those down to protect the birds and wildlife?

[JBen]

Well its mostly (?) been proven that our air quality problems were caused by two things.
Traffic and pollution in TO and industry in the United States. So I would feel comfortable in suggesting everything prior to the GEA had minimal impact on the environment or wildlife.

Ontario has pretty much become the poster child and laughing stock of everywhere else, in how not to do things. And the prices being paid are very steep indeed, that start with people having them rammed down their throats, to financial and more. Maybe Im just an old geezer that's slightly right of centre, but something we old people have that young people dont, is

Wisdom
The kind of thing that can only be learned like its generally a good idea to dip your toes in freezer cold water before diving in, or "look before leaping'

[rick_iles]

Now isn't that interesting.

A buddy of mine applied for a job with the wind companies here, to go around to each turbine and gather up the dead birds and bats...so they are obviously aware of the carnage !!

[Species8472]

More birds are killed by skyscrapers then wind turbines but I don't see a single member here bringing that up. Why are you not telling the cities to tear those down to protect the birds and wildlife?

Because skyscrapers are not subsidized directly out of my pocket. If every single kWh produced by the clusterfk that is the GEA was not exported at a massive loss I might feel differently. Instead every single kWh that been has produced by the windmills installed as part of the GEA has been completely surplus to our needs and we have had to pay the companies that produce this unnecessary power a massive premium and than pay again for an adjacent jurisdiction to take it off our hands.

In case you don't believe it the numbers are here:

Electricity Imports/Exports:

http://www.ieso.ca/power-data/supply...ts-and-exports

Amount produced by type:

http://www.ieso.ca/power-data/supply...ted-generation

In every single year that has data the net excess produced is always more than all the electricity generated by wind - i.e. we don't need it.

[JBen]

Haha this could be fun.
Compare and contrast wind towers and glass towers.

Both kill lots of birds
Both steal from the peons and give to the rich.
Glass towers provide jobs for many, thousands andhundreds of thousands of them
Wind towers. Jobs are gone with wind, if they were ever really here
If your an urbanite, glass towers look nice and represent wealth aka "look how great we are".
If your a rural dweller, wind towers are blights on the landscape.

Green Energy may be future, but reality bites. Shame many forget about that thing called reality, nor did they have the wisdom to dip their toes, and the fact is, its not just birds getting killed by them.

[73hunter]

JBen, I agree with most of what you said, but you don't really believe this do you ?
" So I would feel comfortable in suggesting everything prior to the GEA had minimal impact on the environment or wildlife."

I'm afraid Mother Earth had her share of problems before Dalton McGuilty came along.

[glen]

are they building new ones right now?

How long do they last before they have to be taken down?

[JBen]

In a general sense yes Mb, she certainly does.

I was more thinking of how much damage our power producing plants had done. It's pretty much well established and proved that the issues around air quality were in fact from the States and traffic in TO. In effect the hot air on that was from QP. And if Im not mistaken the new tech for coal/gas is extremely good. Certainly far cheaper. Wind and solar may be the future but.................there's this thing called reality.

[smitty55]

More birds are killed by skyscrapers then wind turbines but I don't see a single member here bringing that up. Why are you not telling the cities to tear those down to protect the birds and wildlife?

That is so irrelevant I cant believe it.

So you think that justifies putting up turbines somehow? Wow

[rick_iles]

are they building new ones right now?

How long do they last before they have to be taken down?

Chatham-Kent numpties at city hall are allowing new projects every year. Now they have been proven to destroy water wells in the project areas.....nice.....eh!!