Quebec City shooting; political

[skypilot]

Thanks C.

Looks like the text spells out textually what all criminal law generally spells out, intent and/or liability.

As posted before, in this Quebec case, it requires evidence of terrorist intent which is not necessarily quick and easy to prove with only physical crime scene evidence, it requires looking into the suspect's background and past. Things like phone records, contacts, social media and the investigation generally seeks to find if there is a motive towards terrorism as defined in the codified text.

That is loosely why it is likely listed as murder charges at this moment in time. That is pretty much obvious at this point and may change to reflect a more severe penalty when and if the terrorism component is found and then ultimately proven.

The overall process and task of the investigation/charge would be no different in the example posted wrt the "Muslim man attacking a Catholic Church."

[mosquito]

Most in his case say there is no signs of violence but I suspect that will change over time, some will "find" things that weren't actually there when asked by the press. I had already been wondering about a few things about this and it is nice to see theRebel actually has some of the same questions.

The killer, the runaway witness and one prof all from Laval University, why did they keep saying 2 shooters, even the witnesses? Did he go out and come back in confusing some of the witnesses?? He had Layton and the NDP (seems to be the only Canadian links they mentioned so far on his face book) but the keep only mentioning Trump ...
http://www.therebel.media/what_they_..._mosque_attack

Here he is portrayed as extreme right wing, hunter and gun nut...
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...eliefs-sources

This one leaves out the NDP and Layton too..
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...re-bissonnette

While the Toronto Star (not known for it's reliability) does list his likes as including the NDP and Layton and Marine Lepen...
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-shooting.html

"Among the pages he “liked” were those of U.S. President Donald Trump, far-right French politician Marine Le Pen, the federal NDP and former NDP leader Jack Layton.He also “liked” several different video games, chess clubs, musicians and organizations at Laval University."


I think until the trial is done and there are clear statements of motive etc. alot of these reporters are just parroting something someone else said or making it up.


P.S.
Brian Lilley actually reads the list of this guys Facebook page likes from the archive, including Quebecois politicians and party, Richard Dawkins,Feminist movement at Laval, some band called Weezer, Lepen, Trump, sprite, Doom, Doritos, Christopher Hitchens and the list goes on... talks about journalism laziness. He even talks about how PM office is sending letters to Fox (only Fox it seems, not other media) about an old twitter post about the second suspect being from Morocco.
https://www.facebook.com/580CFRA/vid...4399649607831/

[skypilot]

I too have noticed and heard some odd things that trouble me in this case so far. I attribute it to language/interpretation, poor press reporting and the fact countries do investigations and even press releases differently.

[Snowwalker]

Definition of terrorism as per our Department of Justice:

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/c...rr09_6/p3.html


"In Canada, section 83.01 of the Criminal Code[1] defines terrorism as an act committed "in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause" with the intention of intimidating the public "…with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act." Activities recognized as criminal within this context include death and bodily harm with the use of violence; endangering a person’s life; risks posed to the health and safety of the public; significant property damage; and interference or disruption of essential services, facilities or systems."

By that definition. One Country bombing another to keep the second country from bombing it would in fact be an act of terrorism under the criminal code. One government is trying to get the second country to refain from bombing the first country.

[Snowwalker]

It is all perspective, if you are the German army both, if you are a German civilian and a sympathizer to the German army both, if you are a German civilian and not a sympathizer to the German army then only #2. If you are the French Resistance then neither, if you are the Allied army, probably neither, if you are an outsider civilian probably #2.

There is no cut and dry answer.

Sorry Fox but the answer is VERY cut and dry. BOTH are/where acts of war and would never be terrorism.

[Deer Wrastler]

what if police officers surround a house and shoot out the street lights with a high powered pellet gun, and they also shoot out the tires on a potential get away car, is that terrorism? lol...

[terrym]

The shooter was obviously mentally deranged. Healthy people don't massacre those they don't like in the Western world. In the Middle East they do but not here. Now, just wait for Cuckier's comittee to get thier teeth into this. The shooter was a legal gun owner who liked to hunt. Clearly the laws of the land can't predict or prevent madmen from doing this stuff so the comittee will push for draconian laws and all out bans I bet. Wendy Cukier and her followers will absolutely dance on the graves of these poor victims.

[Snowwalker]

what if police officers surround a house and shoot out the street lights with a high powered pellet gun, and they also shoot out the tires on a potential get away car, is that terrorism? lol...

According to the code....you could say yes

"....significant property damage; and interference or disruption of essential services, facilities or systems."

[Fox]

Sorry Fox but the answer is VERY cut and dry. BOTH are/where acts of war and would never be terrorism.

Acts of war in the eyes of the allies.

In the eyes of the IRA bombers the bombings are an act of war, but in the eyes of the British it is an act of terrorism.

Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma city building was an act of war in his eyes, an act of terrorism to the US.

Not even close to cut and dry.

[Snowwalker]

Acts of war in the eyes of the allies.

In the eyes of the IRA bombers the bombings are an act of war, but in the eyes of the British it is an act of terrorism.

Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma city building was an act of war in his eyes, an act of terrorism to the US.

Not even close to cut and dry.

You have so many strawmen there I hope your not a smoker...
Both allied and Axis define the actions of the resistance as acts of war.
In the IRA the bombings are acts of resistance and the English see them as murders.

When so one say the sky is blue..you telling them that it is not blue on mars does not change the fact that the sky is blue.