What effect will the so-called 'PPC surge' mean

Why..

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As a right-of-centre party candidate, Bors believes he is “absolutely” taking support away from (Conservative) Scott Reid’s base, “but not just from that party. People are also telling me that they usually vote NDP and Liberal, but they don't want to get vaccinated, or they just think it's wrong to force people to do something that they are not comfortable doing. There is no vote splitting on the side of freedom.”

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Brandon Tozzo, instructor of political science at Trent University, estimates that about 70 per cent of PPC supporters are coming from the Conservatives.

“Though, I suspect this is mostly in rural regions, where Conservative support is already quite robust,” he says. “It may change a few seats in suburban Ontario, but it is unclear whether their vote is concentrated enough in a particular region to have a major impact.”

And the remaining 30 per cent?

“The PPC may be taking votes from the other parties, but this is mostly made up of people who are otherwise unengaged, low information, or single-issue voters (anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination).”

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Tozzo believes that the COVID-19 pandemic, specifically misinformation surrounding vaccines and frustration about lockdowns, is “almost entirely feeding the popularity of the PPC.”

“These voters aren't finding a home in the Conservative party, which is advocating for vaccines, and are turning to (PPC leader) Maxime Bernier who is airing their grievances. I suspect the PPC will not have the same level of support after the pandemic.”

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more:
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It will simply keep the Liberals in power. It will backfire on the PPC voters.
They'd be better off with a CP government.

I doubt many, if any, NDP/Liberal supporters will move over to PPC.

On news at noon 3 seats alone in Toronto area voting heavy ppc anti vaxxers ands it’s going to help Trudeau

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Originally Posted by MarkB

It will simply keep the Liberals in power. It will backfire on the PPC voters.
They'd be better off with a CP government.

I doubt many, if any, NDP/Liberal supporters will move over to PPC.

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Let’s just hope the dumpster fire out in Alberta doesn’t sway too many voters who may be on the fence

With the PPC at 6% I would say that Trudeau has 90% chance of being elected.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Let’s just hope the dumpster fire out in Alberta doesn’t sway too many voters who may be on the fence

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

With the PPC at 6% I would say that Trudeau has 90% chance of being elected.

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We know the PPC cost the Conservatives 7 seats last election (easy assumption no LIb or NDP would vote PPC or very very small group) and that was less than 2% of the vote, with 6% we can estimate the Libs will get 21 seats thanks to the PPC. My prediction when the count is done is a bit more due to split and a high volume of mail in votes heavily favouring the Libs so 24 seats lost to Libs due to PPC and another 6 swung by mail in votes.

Yup but some on here would rather vote PPC very well knowing that they will be responsible for Trudeau elected, they would rather more guns be banned.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

We know the PPC cost the Conservatives 7 seats last election (easy assumption no LIb or NDP would vote PPC or very very small group) and that was less than 2% of the vote, with 6% we can estimate the Libs will get 21 seats thanks to the PPC. My prediction when the count is done is a bit more due to split and a high volume of mail in votes heavily favouring the Libs so 24 seats lost to Libs due to PPC and another 6 swung by mail in votes.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yup but some on here would rather vote PPC very well knowing that they will be responsible for Trudeau elected, they would rather more guns be banned.

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Greatwhite when you come from a conflict zone there are two groups with guns government forces and rebel factions. Who poses the greatest threat? When you immigrate to Canada and are settled in larger urban centers you become part of a voting block. In a free society apart from the police and military, citizens can possess guns, for hunting and recreational shooting. However if you come from a conflict zone, who amongst these groups poses the biggest firearm threat? Who would you vote fore come election time? There is no educational programs that I know of to help make any distinction between criminals and recreational shooter, for new citizens, if that helps your guess work.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Greatwhite when you come from a conflict zone there are two groups with guns government forces and rebel factions. Who poses the greatest threat? When you immigrate to Canada and are settled in larger urban centers you become part of a voting block. In a free society apart from the police and military, citizens can possess guns, for hunting and recreational shooting. However if you come from a conflict zone, who amongst these groups poses the biggest firearm threat? Who would you vote fore come election time? There is no educational programs that I know of to help make any distinction between criminals and recreational shooter, for new citizens, if that helps your guess work.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Perhaps those newcomers from “conflict zones” should become better acquainted with Canadian culture, tradition, and laws before they are granted voting status.

Unlike much of their membership the people at the top of the PPC aren't complete morons. They are fully aware they are helping elect Trudeau because they need Trudeau to remain in power. A reactionary political movement can't thrive without an identifiable enemy.

I still believe Libs will get a Majority, however from what I am seeing at rally and online I believe PPC might be sitting in official opposition if they don't win it all.

I am an election scrutineer and they told us at first meeting they are expecting up 1,000,000 mail in ballots - first off how do they know that - secondly they expect no final result until late Tuesday once counted because of mail in... I asked how many mail-in had there been in the past elections, she was not sure but less 100K

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Perhaps those newcomers from “conflict zones” should become better acquainted with Canadian culture, tradition, and laws before they are granted voting status.

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Shouldn't they pass that test before they get to come to our country? If they end up in our jails, because they are living by Sharia Law ... why do we need to foot the bill for that?

Actually I would disagree that analogy - If you are a serious gun rights advocate - you would NOT vote CPC , you would actually vote PPC. But alais, you dont care to vote for best policy outright - because of brand color loyality. See that is the problem...if every firearms voter voted PPC - then policy change would have to occur in CPC in order to capture back those voters and that voting block.

The CPC and O'Toole has already flip flopped due to pressure after the debate and came out the next day and clarified he would keep Trudeaus OIC in place while they study it, he has not backed down on that - despite his promise to rescind, like NO Carbon tax broken as well. IF he bends to this politically expediate polls now, what is to stop from doing if he gets power..nothing.

Again - Firearms owners who vote CPC will be the reason we loose our guns - not the PPC.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yup but some on here would rather vote PPC very well knowing that they will be responsible for Trudeau elected, they would rather more guns be banned.

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Originally Posted by line052

I still believe Libs will get a Majority, however from what I am seeing at rally and online I believe PPC might be sitting in official opposition if they don't win it all.

I am an election scrutineer and they told us at first meeting they are expecting up 1,000,000 mail in ballots - first off how do they know that - secondly they expect no final result until late Tuesday once counted because of mail in... I asked how many mail-in had there been in the past elections, she was not sure but less 100K

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Liberal majority would only speed up the inevitable from happening. Our culture has on average changed ... to many have their hands out for free money ... and we simply cannot afford what the government is promising, in order to win votes. We are like lab mice, that just want our piece of cheese ... don't even understand we are in a maze and for the amusement of this government ... all in order for them to stay in power ... keep us under control.

I hope they don't win a majority, and I'm excited that we have a fighting chance to keep them to a minority ... I'd say that a minority Liberal party is what will be the likely outcome ... but yeah, if they want to cheat, they'll cheat ... the Liberals have already shown us clearly they don't care about laws.

Well they are already declaring Trudeau has won, the question is it a minority or majority.

Thank you ppc voters you must be proud of helping Trudeau back to power

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Well they are already declaring Trudeau has won, the question is it a minority or majority.

Thank you ppc voters you must be proud of helping Trudeau back to power

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I voted in the advanced polls and am regretting that I cast my ballot for the cons. At this point I don't give a #$@% about my guns. They will have to come and get them and O'Toole has flip flopped on this anyway. I am more concerned with our loss of rights and freedoms, increased taxation, the scam that is carbon tax and it seems that O'Toole is catering to the leftists to win them over instead of holding fast to conservative values.

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Originally Posted by M_P

I voted in the advanced polls and am regretting that I cast my ballot for the cons. At this point I don't give a #$@% about my guns. They will have to come and get them and O'Toole has flip flopped on this anyway. I am more concerned with our loss of rights and freedoms, increased taxation, the scam that is carbon tax and it seems that O'Toole is catering to the leftists to win them over instead of holding fast to conservative values.

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O'Toole has been playing at the Liberal game and trying to pick up the centre and left lite that have clued in Trudeau is a lying POS.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

We know the PPC cost the Conservatives 7 seats last election (easy assumption no LIb or NDP would vote PPC or very very small group) and that was less than 2% of the vote, with 6% we can estimate the Libs will get 21 seats thanks to the PPC. My prediction when the count is done is a bit more due to split and a high volume of mail in votes heavily favouring the Libs so 24 seats lost to Libs due to PPC and another 6 swung by mail in votes.

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Sticking with what I said, a disaster for Canada. Max the ego is getting his revenge on the Conservatives and saying what ever he can to get attention and likely won't get one or two seats max but will make sure the Libs stay in power.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Shouldn't they pass that test before they get to come to our country? If they end up in our jails, because they are living by Sharia Law ... why do we need to foot the bill for that?

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Well one of the CPC leadership candidates (Kelly Leitch) proposed that sort of a “values” test and she was denounced from all sides. I didn’t mind her approach at all.

Well your going to get it worse with Trudeau back, [since nobody is going to want to trigger an election, Trudeau even with a minority can rule like a majority.

PPC voters got their wish to keep Trudeau in power.


QUOTE=M_P;1172517]I voted in the advanced polls and am regretting that I cast my ballot for the cons. At this point I don't give a #$@% about my guns. They will have to come and get them and O'Toole has flip flopped on this anyway. I am more concerned with our loss of rights and freedoms, increased taxation, the scam that is carbon tax and it seems that O'Toole is catering to the leftists to win them over instead of holding fast to conservative values.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by line052

Actually I would disagree that analogy - If you are a serious gun rights advocate - you would NOT vote CPC , you would actually vote PPC. But alais, you dont care to vote for best policy outright - because of brand color loyality. See that is the problem...if every firearms voter voted PPC - then policy change would have to occur in CPC in order to capture back those voters and that voting block.

The CPC and O'Toole has already flip flopped due to pressure after the debate and came out the next day and clarified he would keep Trudeaus OIC in place while they study it, he has not backed down on that - despite his promise to rescind, like NO Carbon tax broken as well. IF he bends to this politically expediate polls now, what is to stop from doing if he gets power..nothing.

Again - Firearms owners who vote CPC will be the reason we loose our guns - not the PPC.

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That’s quite the way to justify it in your mind

In my mind you have it absolutely backwards. But I guess that is why we all get our own vote

At least when we are stuck with Trudeau for another 4 years during which we lose all of our guns I’ll know I did all I could do. Sadly it just isn’t enough

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Originally Posted by mosquito

O'Toole has been playing at the Liberal game and trying to pick up the centre and left lite that have clued in Trudeau is a lying POS.



Sticking with what I said, a disaster for Canada. Max the ego is getting his revenge on the Conservatives and saying what ever he can to get attention and likely won't get one or two seats max but will make sure the Libs stay in power.

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Max and PPC is the best thing that ever happened for the Liberals. They love it!

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Originally Posted by line052

Actually I would disagree that analogy - If you are a serious gun rights advocate - you would NOT vote CPC , you would actually vote PPC. But alais, you dont care to vote for best policy outright - because of brand color loyality. See that is the problem...if every firearms voter voted PPC - then policy change would have to occur in CPC in order to capture back those voters and that voting block.

The CPC and O'Toole has already flip flopped due to pressure after the debate and came out the next day and clarified he would keep Trudeaus OIC in place while they study it, he has not backed down on that - despite his promise to rescind, like NO Carbon tax broken as well. IF he bends to this politically expediate polls now, what is to stop from doing if he gets power..nothing.

Again - Firearms owners who vote CPC will be the reason we loose our guns - not the PPC.

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Wars are won not through our beliefs and ideologies ... but through tactics. Sometimes those tactics will have you doing something that you would otherwise not do, in order to get you a step closer to winning your war. I can confidently say, any person voting for the PPC instead of the CPC ... is not seeing the whole picture. The PPC will not feature in ANY discussion in parliament ... all the things they stand for right now and yours or others support for them ... it is purely symbolic, but it is like waving a butter knife at your enemy that holds a cannon against your head ... futile at best.

In this case, Max and the PPC must drop their pride, and work with the CPC together, so their voices can be heard. It will only happen via a partnership with the CPC ... the other parties are WAAAAAAAAAYYYY too far left to every give a rats about the PPC.

This is about strategy, not ideologies ... you will be buried with your ideologies, and no one will remember any of it. This is not an insult in any manner ... I respect you and your views. But I don't think people are making a smart choice, for the better good, choosing between (if you call it this) ... the better of two evils.

I would say the WAAAAYYYY too far left parties do care about the PPC..... more votes for PPC means less votes for the one party that has the potential to oppose them.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Wars are won not through our beliefs and ideologies ... but through tactics. Sometimes those tactics will have you doing something that you would otherwise not do, in order to get you a step closer to winning your war. I can confidently say, any person voting for the PPC instead of the CPC ... is not seeing the whole picture. The PPC will not feature in ANY discussion in parliament ... all the things they stand for right now and yours or others support for them ... it is purely symbolic, but it is like waving a butter knife at your enemy that holds a cannon against your head ... futile at best.

In this case, Max and the PPC must drop their pride, and work with the CPC together, so their voices can be heard. It will only happen via a partnership with the CPC ... the other parties are WAAAAAAAAAYYYY too far left to every give a rats about the PPC.

This is about strategy, not ideologies ... you will be buried with your ideologies, and no one will remember any of it. This is not an insult in any manner ... I respect you and your views. But I don't think people are making a smart choice, for the better good, choosing between (if you call it this) ... the better of two evils.

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Well said. Couldn’t agree more

Heard a rumor the other day that Trudeau is supposedly providing funding to the PPC party. Any way to confirm this? Pretty smart if you ask me and it appears to be working

Seems like some are jumping on the division train here, saying your vote is useless unless you do it my way.
The main party that many seem to want out, on this site anyhoo is the Liberals. A vote for any other party is a vote against them. You should vote for the party or actually the candidate for your area you believe in, not the 1 that might have the best chance of unseating a disliked incumbent and then WAITING ANOTHER 4 YEARS to try again to get the 1 you really want in.
With this kind of political thinking it is almost like saying you prefer brown shirts over gestapo because they might not be as cruel, or being a part of the French resistance or the underground railroad is useless because someone else will do something about the problem if you bury your head far enough in the sand for long enough.
The time for action is during this election not the next one down the road. Get out and make your vote count.
P.S. No facts have been posted in this thread, just opinions so no one can say I'm wrong lol
John

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Seems like some are jumping on the division train here, saying your vote is useless unless you do it my way.
The main party that many seem to want out, on this site anyhoo is the Liberals. A vote for any other party is a vote against them. You should vote for the party or actually the candidate for your area you believe in, not the 1 that might have the best chance of unseating a disliked incumbent and then WAITING ANOTHER 4 YEARS to try again to get the 1 you really want in.
With this kind of political thinking it is almost like saying you prefer brown shirts over gestapo because they might not be as cruel, or being a part of the French resistance or the underground railroad is useless because someone else will do something about the problem if you bury your head far enough in the sand for long enough.
The time for action is during this election not the next one down the road. Get out and make your vote count.
P.S. No facts have been posted in this thread, just opinions so no one can say I'm wrong lol
John

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I disagree.

35% vote in a riding for Liberals.
27% vote for CPC
10% vote for PPC

Liberals win.

On the other hand...

35% liberals
37% CPC (with the PPC voter support)

CPC wins.

Simple math ... and the only assumption is the PPC voter, if forced to choose another party would highly likely not vote for Liberals, but rather choose CPC, given the origins of the PPC.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

I disagree.

35% vote in a riding for Liberals.
27% vote for CPC
10% vote for PPC

Liberals win.

On the other hand...

35% liberals
37% CPC (with the PPC voter support)

CPC wins.

Simple math ... and the only assumption is the PPC voter, if forced to choose another party would highly likely not vote for Liberals, but rather choose CPC, given the origins of the PPC.

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Given the origins of the PPC this CPC supporter wouldn't support a party where the leader wasn't elected, it was founded because of ego and a temper tantrum and is actually forcing the CPC to try and kiss tush on the centre left supporters because of the lost votes. In the last election simple numbers show the CPC lost 7 seats, this time I am saying 25 seats lost to the Liberals because of PPC and the PPC getting 1 seat at best. Trudeau really needs to send Max a nice Christmas bonus, maybe a trip to the Agha Khan's island and some of the girls from the SNC scandal to rub Max's .... shoulders.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Given the origins of the PPC this CPC supporter wouldn't support a party where the leader wasn't elected, it was founded because of ego and a temper tantrum and is actually forcing the CPC to try and kiss tush on the centre left supporters because of the lost votes. In the last election simple numbers show the CPC lost 7 seats, this time I am saying 25 seats lost to the Liberals because of PPC and the PPC getting 1 seat at best. Trudeau really needs to send Max a nice Christmas bonus, maybe a trip to the Agha Khan's island and some of the girls from the SNC scandal to rub Max's .... shoulders.

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Yup.

Just a provocative thought though ... would CPC every entertain a partnership with Bloc Quebec? I mean, the CPC really is weak in terms of take up in Quebec ... the party's vision obviously doesn't resonate with the people of Quebec. So could the better angle not be ... let the people of Quebec decide ... let them be more influential on how their province operates (that's what they want) ... but without the threat of them separating from Canada?

I mean, even their Premier is telling Quebec that they are better off with the CPC, because the CPC is given them almost everything they are asking for.

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

Heard a rumor the other day that Trudeau is supposedly providing funding to the PPC party. Any way to confirm this? Pretty smart if you ask me and it appears to be working

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I, am not sayin nothing about that. He,he

More voted for the for the Conservatives 34% than the Libs 31% again....

Still no sign of Trudeau giving his speech, probably pouting he got a minority or plotting the next election, $600M is nothing to him, very little is his money. Maybe figuring out how to do more coverups? Maybe he is upset Maryam got the boot, they always seem to be staring deeply in each others eyes.


“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

But the accomplices have voted, the PPC got what Max wanted and Canada will likely see another election within 2 years and Canada is f*****


Censorship, more bans, forced vaccinations, more spending, vaccine passport, super high immigration, huge deficits and soaring inflation ......

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Originally Posted by mosquito

More voted for the for the Conservatives 34% than the Libs 31% again....

Still no sign of Trudeau giving his speech, probably pouting he got a minority or plotting the next election, $600M is nothing to him, very little is his money. Maybe figuring out how to do more coverups? Maybe he is upset Maryam got the boot, they always seem to be staring deeply in each others eyes.


“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

But the accomplices have voted, the PPC got what Max wanted and Canada will likely see another election within 2 years and Canada is f*****


Censorship, more bans, forced vaccinations, more spending, vaccine passport, super high immigration, huge deficits and soaring inflation ......

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Not to sure who you are working for mosquito in what appears to be your full time job, the Conservatives, Russians ,who knows. But probably you will be like Erin and wondering when you might get canned. LOL

Just watched The Right Honorable Prime Minister Justin Trudeau give a beautiful conciliatory speech as is the Liberal way, even thanking the leaders of the other parties for engaging in this wonderful democratic process.

So its Sunny Ways again my friend for the next four years with the assistance of the NDP and probably the Bloc we will have a progressive government for all the people and not for the rich and the narrow minded.

Even folks in Alberta are voting Liberal LOL

Well so much for the PPC..surge...not a single seat:

"Maxime Bernier, PPC leader, defeated in Quebec riding of Beauce"

The People's Party of Canada, meanwhile, garnered a five-per-cent share of the popular vote, but failed to mount a serious challenge in any individual riding.

People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier seemed unfazed by the results on election night, telling CTV News that he was excited by the significant increase in support for his party from 2019, when it received 1.6 per cent of the vote.

As I said earlier: Not enough members in any one riding to effect a difference. We'll have to wait to see the final tally to see if the Cons lost any seats because of them...but it doesn't look like it.

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As I said earlier: Not enough members in any one riding to effect a difference. We'll have to wait to see the final tally to see if the Cons lost any seats because of them...but it doesn't look like it.

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I take that back, I see some of the final tallies are coming in and the PPC ...DID.. cost the Cons seats .

Kitchener South Hespler and Kitchener Connestoga both lost to Libs by less than 3% and the PPC took 7% in both ridings.

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/election-2021

By my initial calculations here are the seats where the combined CPC and PPC vote would have defeated Liberals.

Cloverdale Langley City
Edmonton Centre
Cambridge
Kanata Carelton
Kitchener-South Hespeler
Kitchener Conestoga
London West
Niagara Centre
Sault Ste. Marie
St. Catharines
Thunder Bay-Rainy River

There were two seats where the combined CPC and PPC vote would have defeated other parties

Trois Riveres (Bloc)
Timmins James Bay (NDP)

There are also ridings where the combined CPC PPC vote would have prompted a recount.

Vaughan Woodbridge
Newmarket Aurora
Longe Range Mountain
West Vancouver Sunshine Coast Sea to Sky
Richmond Centre
Sydney Victoria

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Well so much for the PPC..surge...not a single seat:

"Maxime Bernier, PPC leader, defeated in Quebec riding of Beauce"

The People's Party of Canada, meanwhile, garnered a five-per-cent share of the popular vote, but failed to mount a serious challenge in any individual riding.

People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier seemed unfazed by the results on election night, telling CTV News that he was excited by the significant increase in support for his party from 2019, when it received 1.6 per cent of the vote.

As I said earlier: Not enough members in any one riding to effect a difference. We'll have to wait to see the final tally to see if the Cons lost any seats because of them...but it doesn't look like it.

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Kanata Carleton
Kitchener Conestoga

I haven't looked through the list - those I know because I live in Kanata and my daughter lives in Kitchener-Conestoga.
Before we blame the stupid Liberal voters for putting Trudeau back in, we need to talk about the PPC voters.

Driving around before the election in my area, PC had the most yard signs (not just on street corners or public laneways - actual yards). Followed by PPC and NDP. Liberals were 4th.
Funny - come election day, the Liberals "won".

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Not to sure who you are working for mosquito in what appears to be your full time job, the Conservatives, Russians ,who knows. But probably you will be like Erin and wondering when you might get canned. LOL

Just watched The Right Honorable Prime Minister Justin Trudeau give a beautiful conciliatory speech as is the Liberal way, even thanking the leaders of the other parties for engaging in this wonderful democratic process.

So its Sunny Ways again my friend for the next four years with the assistance of the NDP and probably the Bloc we will have a progressive government for all the people and not for the rich and the narrow minded.

Even folks in Alberta are voting Liberal LOL

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It isn't even 9am yet... don't worry I get my work done, I even got a thanks from one of the customers yesterday after I dug through the linux and windows machines and the database to validate a transaction had been completed and the failure was at the recipients side.

Yes, even in Alberta there are criminals and accomplices and liars and cheats... after all the NDP even got in for a bit there.

I just heard Justlied saying he had a mandate... even though he got less votes than the other guy... can't do basic math too besides budgets, economics, ethics etc.

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

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Originally Posted by old outdoorsman

Driving around before the election in my area, PC had the most yard signs (not just on street corners or public laneways - actual yards). Followed by PPC and NDP. Liberals were 4th.
Funny - come election day, the Liberals "won".

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Just talked to my daughter and she had voted PPC in Burlington. My son chased away the Liberal canvasser at my front door two weeks ago while I was having my coffee. I was not bothered Peter Fonseca had the usual cake walk. My son ended up not voting at all as he did not like anybody, or at least that was his excuse. LOL

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Just talked to my daughter and she had voted PPC in Burlington. My son chased away the Liberal canvasser at my front door two weeks ago while I was having my coffee. I was not bothered Peter Fonseca had the usual cake walk. My son ended up not voting at all as he did not like anybody, or at least that was his excuse. LOL

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Sometimes you vote, not necessarily because you absolutely like someone, but because you absolutely are in fear of an idiot taking the election ... choose your poison!

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I take that back, I see some of the final tallies are coming in and the PPC ...DID.. cost the Cons seats .

Kitchener South Hespler and Kitchener Connestoga both lost to Libs by less than 3% and the PPC took 7% in both ridings.

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/election-2021

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Yup ... there were a few ridings where the PPC vote, if added to the CPC vote, would have translated to a Conservative Seat ... and instead they got a Liberal seat.
This isn't rocket science ... as most of us predicted, the PPC just helped the Liberals gain seats ... now that's what I call a plan that backfired ... basically spiting themselves!!

Over 800,000 votes for the PPC, and it means NOTHING ... not one seat to show for it ... instead it helped the Liberals win their minority.
Hope PPC voters can live with the outcome ... because now you got another 4 years of Prime Minister Clown Face.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Sometimes you vote, not necessarily because you absolutely like someone, but because you absolutely are in fear of an idiot taking the election ... choose your poison!

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It would probably be less painful for some of you folks to congratulate Justin on his fantastic win and congratulate his supporters. LOL

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Yup ... there were a few ridings where the PPC vote, if added to the CPC vote, would have translated to a Conservative Seat ... and instead they got a Liberal seat.
This isn't rocket science ... as most of us predicted, the PPC just helped the Liberals gain seats ... now that's what I call a plan that backfired ... basically spiting themselves!!

Over 800,000 votes for the PPC, and it means NOTHING ... not one seat to show for it ... instead it helped the Liberals win their minority.
Hope PPC voters can live with the outcome ... because now you got another 4 years of Prime Minister Clown Face.

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Even if you gave the CPC the seats where the PPC support combined with theirs might have won and took all the recounts it still wouldn't change the outcome. Trudeau would still have more seats and the party with the most seats is given the first opportunity to form the government.

It's also unlikely we are stuck with Trudeau for 4 years. We can expect to be doing this again in 2023.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

It's also unlikely we are stuck with Trudeau for 4 years. We can expect to be doing this again in 2023.

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Definitely, he behaves like a petulant child ( not hard to see being a trust fund baby). His pride will take a hit every time he has to call Jagmeet for a favour.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

It would probably be less painful for some of you folks to congratulate Justin on his fantastic win and congratulate his supporters. LOL

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Congratulate a corrupt chauvinistic money binger?? Come on ... lol. That is nothing worth celebrating over ... it honestly breaks my heart that Canadians would accept such trash as a PM of our great country.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Even if you gave the CPC the seats where the PPC support combined with theirs might have won and took all the recounts it still wouldn't change the outcome. Trudeau would still have more seats and the party with the most seats is given the first opportunity to form the government.

It's also unlikely we are stuck with Trudeau for 4 years. We can expect to be doing this again in 2023.

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Even if it was 6 more seats to the CPC, and those 6 less seats to the Libs ... it is a weaker minority for the Libs ... every seat makes a difference. The Libs would need to convince 6 more people on other parties to support their absurd ideas.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Even if it was 6 more seats to the CPC, and those 6 less seats to the Libs ... it is a weaker minority for the Libs ... every seat makes a difference. The Libs would need to convince 6 more people on other parties to support their absurd ideas.

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Looks like Nationally the the PPC votes may have cost the Cons up to 25 seats....and gained nothing for it.

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As of Tuesday afternoon, Cumming was almost 140 votes behind Liberal Randy Boissonnault, who held Edmonton Centre from 2015 until the Conservative flipped it in 2019.

The result might have been different if not for Crocker, the People's Party of Canada candidate who garnered just over 2,000 votes, signifying a potential pocket of support on the right that could have launched Cumming into the lead.

The situation is one that repeated itself in other parts of the country as the maverick movement led by Maxime Bernier picked up votes, but fell short of winning a seat in the House of Commons.

Trevor Tombe, an economics professor at the University of Calgary, took a look at the results and plotted 25 seats where the combined Conservative and PPC vote was greater than the winner's share of the votes.

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One thing the PPC has which the Conservatives have long thrown out the window is actually defending conservative positions.

They simply are afraid of the debate when it comes to gun control for example, so much so that they can defend a rollback of some of the recent regulations performed by Trudeau. O'Toole was afraid to debate that federal positions shouldn't be restricted based on vax pass, or trains, flights. They are so afraid to take on the Vaxxy Media Machine that they simply give up every rational position that might actually help us. Rather than say "we can't afford increased benefits while dealing with the medical emergency" and defending that position, they just throw money like liberals and NDP. I think their pitch was just that they would be "liberals with better management". That could be a sneaky strategy just to get in, especially when everything has moved much further left, and especially in mega liberal hell-holes like Toronto, but it alienates actual conservatives.

Looking at the Conservative party of 2021, they simply don't hold a single conservative position. They are in liberal/NDP frame.

If CPC and their supporters had spent as much time going after the Libs and NDP as they did the PPC...

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

One thing the PPC has which the Conservatives have long thrown out the window is actually defending conservative positions.

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Much of what you have pointed out is true. ...but the reasoning is as Erin said; "We're not your dad's Conservative Party anymore"

They will never Govern Canada unless they are more progressive. Tight control of the purse strings, a main Conservative platform (balanced budget etc.) doesn't matter to a society now who lives with crippling personal debt as just part of making life easier and having nicer things in life.

No one want's 'Dad" at the helm anymore...everyone wants the cool 'Uncle' who slips you a 5 spot every time he sees you.

I grew up with the Reform Party and Preston Manning. Even he realized that the infighting on the right was never going to beat the Liberals;

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The 1997 federal election convinced Manning and others that the continued vote splitting between Reform and the Progressive Conservatives needed to be addressed if Canada was to ever get a conservative oriented federal government. At the May 1998 Reform Convention in London, Ontario, Manning therefore proposed an effort to create a United Alternative to the Liberals and a process for exploring the possibility of bringing Reform and the Progressive Conservatives together. A resolution endorsing the United Alternative proposal was then debated and passed by a vote of 91 percent in favour.

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This past election saw exactly that with the PPC....that needs to be addressed.

And he wasn't wrong;

“There are hundreds of Canadian communities that have given more thought to hiring their rink manager than they have to electing their member of Parliament.”
-- Preston Manning

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

One thing the PPC has which the Conservatives have long thrown out the window is actually defending conservative positions.

They simply are afraid of the debate when it comes to gun control for example, so much so that they can defend a rollback of some of the recent regulations performed by Trudeau. O'Toole was afraid to debate that federal positions shouldn't be restricted based on vax pass, or trains, flights. They are so afraid to take on the Vaxxy Media Machine that they simply give up every rational position that might actually help us. Rather than say "we can't afford increased benefits while dealing with the medical emergency" and defending that position, they just throw money like liberals and NDP. I think their pitch was just that they would be "liberals with better management". That could be a sneaky strategy just to get in, especially when everything has moved much further left, and especially in mega liberal hell-holes like Toronto, but it alienates actual conservatives.

Looking at the Conservative party of 2021, they simply don't hold a single conservative position. They are in liberal/NDP frame.

If CPC and their supporters had spent as much time going after the Libs and NDP as they did the PPC...

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Either you wanted to defeat Justin Trudeau and stand a better chance of keeping your guns or you didn't. The PPC didn't.

Although not winning any seats there are now 800,000 PPC voters who are awake and fully aware of the corruption that exists in our political system.
The under current is growing stronger day by day. It is no longer business as usual.
Politicians will be made accountable.
I would say that this call for election was a huge mistake by Trudeau.

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Originally Posted by impact

Although not winning any seats there are now 800,000 PPC voters who are awake and fully aware of the corruption that exists in our political system.
The under current is growing stronger day by day. It is no longer business as usual.
Politicians will be made accountable.
I would say that this call for election was a huge mistake by Trudeau.

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I'd agree it puts data on the table to consider.

I still don't see this major revolution that some on here have been speaking of for over 1 year now.

I do see that PPC votes could have made a huge difference to the outcome if the voted CPC ... it would have as a minimum almost completely closed the gap in the quantity of seats help between Liberals and CPC ... and if we are truly talking about 25 seats ... that would have probably been enough to have a CPC minority government.

So PPC in the end helped Turdeau get his minority government back ... that's the outcome we have to live with for at least 2 years, possibly 4.

I said 25.... more likely 15 to 20 based on the count mentioned here.

"In 21 ridings across the country, the size of the PPC vote was greater than the number of votes by which the Conservative candidate lost that riding: 12 in Ontario, five in B.C., two in Alberta, one in Quebec and one in Newfoundland.

Fourteen of those losses were to Liberals, while six went to the NDP and one to the Bloc Quebecois."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp

Hope Max got a trip to Agha Khan island or something nice from Justlied.


Let's look the Libs would go 158 would be 144 and Conservative 119 would be 129 and PPC had 6% so instead of 34% support say 39% and still not enough seats to take it from the power grabbers.... that failed even at that. Libs did the usual and wasted money and the only consolation is that Monsef lost... maybe now someone might look at her lying on her immigration, seems Trudeau has said those that lie should loose it.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=884673624998451

By the numbers being thrown around, about 7% of PC voters looked around at available info and informed themselves then decided to change their vote to PPC.
If the same number of Lib voters actually looked into themselves and why they are voting the same people in then this is the change needed.
Sheep are going to follow the same sheepdog even while the wolf keeps picking away at the week in the flock until none are left.
John

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

By the numbers being thrown around, about 7% of PC voters looked around at available info and informed themselves then decided to change their vote to PPC.
If the same number of Lib voters actually looked into themselves and why they are voting the same people in then this is the change needed.
Sheep are going to follow the same sheepdog even while the wolf keeps picking away at the week in the flock until none are left.
John

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Well you can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink, you can take a Liberal to truth but not make them think.

"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it" - George Orwell

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ? George Orwell

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” George Orwell


There is much in the warnings by Solzhenitsyn and Orwell that shows the path we are but this one really shows it I think with this govt. Censorship bill, OIC, coverups and secrecy acts.... accomplices want those things and if it has to do with firearms, ignorance and fear mongering are working.


“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell


Illegal storage, seizure of selected models in the OIC ..... that firearm is more likely to put you in jail than the local criminals.



Just as a side note the CCFR challenge and Ian Runkles challenge to the OIC are still ongoing, even with the Liberals invoking the secrecy act why they created the OIC in the first place. Support the CCFR, Ian, CSSA etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-riF490Nfo