To those hoping for carry permits

I know this won't resignate well but sorry it's reality. ARE YA'S ALL TRYING TO GET KILLED?
Let me be clear. I have a very mathematical mind. It won't even tolerate a squarish peg in a round hole. Lay it out simple. How long have we had a separate set of laws in canada for antique arms as opposed to modern firearms? Like how many decades. Still our law enforcement is so ignorant of them they seize a m1 577 snider and get all jazzed about it not stored in "firearm" fashion. I make calls to cfo. Reply I got was,are you ready "well knowing firearms laws is not police work".with that said and seeing how they're not even up on decades old laws, with respect guys are you all trying to get killed? Bring about something like carry permits with the ignorance of this law community and deaths are a surety. Remember the young lad shot for holding a computer mouse? Well it don't look nearly as much like a gun as a gun

It's still a firearm ! Storage and licensing laws where firearm classifications are concerned, are two different things....

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It's still a firearm ! Storage and licensing laws where firearm classifications are concerned, are two different things....

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Exactly, just because it is an antique does not remove it from display laws, which are a heck of a lot tighter than simple storage laws. I wanted to store an old gun in a shadow box on the wall with thick plexiglass, could not store ammo with it as that would be considered displayed, even if the wood were 3" thick and the plexiglass 2" thick, it does not matter. If you can see it then it is display and what type of firearm it is does not matter, antique is still a firearm.

Sounds like someone broke the law and is whining and complaining now because he/she got caught and had their knuckles rapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sounds like someone broke the law and is whining and complaining now because he/she got caught and had their knuckles rapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yup!!! Easier to blame the "stupid" Cops !!!

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It's still a firearm ! Storage and licensing laws where firearm classifications are concerned, are two different things....

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No storage is unloaded only. Lawyer just showed me article of law 14.1

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No storage is unloaded only. Lawyer just showed me article of law 14.1

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My bad ! I forgot about that section in the Firearms Act regs...SOR/98-209

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Sounds like someone broke the law and is whining and complaining now because he/she got caught and had their knuckles rapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Are you still consuming oxygen?

LOL You've been mad all week Standup. Now what happened?:)

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LOL You've been mad all week Standup. Now what happened?:)

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Politeness don't get ya far

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My bad ! I forgot about that section in the Firearms Act regs...SOR/98-209

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Remember though that just because it does not follow the firearms act it does not necessarily remove all connection to it being a firearm.

The case has been made that a paintball gun and a pellet gun can be considered firearms under the firearms act if deemed necessary. They did this a couple years back due to the number of teenagers who were going around with paintball guns shooting people and the use of pellet pistols for crime. They allowed them to be considered firearms in this case, so they can be charged with improper storage, transportation, etc.

I have a friend who competes in paintball contests, he thought that it was insane that he had to encase his marker now, they do not even call it a gun. Another friend shoot airsoft, similar stuff there.

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Remember though that just because it does not follow the firearms act it does not necessarily remove all connection to it being a firearm.

The case has been made that a paintball gun and a pellet gun can be considered firearms under the firearms act if deemed necessary. They did this a couple years back due to the number of teenagers who were going around with paintball guns shooting people and the use of pellet pistols for crime. They allowed them to be considered firearms in this case, so they can be charged with improper storage, transportation, etc.

I have a friend who competes in paintball contests, he thought that it was insane that he had to encase his marker now, they do not even call it a gun. Another friend shoot airsoft, similar stuff there.

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The gun in question is a firearm as defined by the Criminal Code. However, the Regs under the Firearms Act
Regulate classes of firearms.
Antiques can be stored or displayed without locks or rendering them inoperable.
It's been a long time....I screwed up and forgot that regulation!!
The firearms regulations in Canada are confusing at best.

Now yer gettin it guys .lets all sing in the key of G. G for gun.
If it were a firearm we'd need a firearm license, but we don't so it taint

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The gun in question is a firearm as defined by the Criminal Code. However, the Regs under the Firearms Act
Regulate classes of firearms.
Antiques can be stored or displayed without locks or rendering them inoperable.
It's been a long time....I screwed up and forgot that regulation!!
The firearms regulations in Canada are confusing at best.

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That's ok Rick we could always make you a cop. How bout cfo employee. Head cfo says and I quote "not our job to know gun laws" chew on that one a while

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That's ok Rick we could always make you a cop. How bout cfo employee. Head cfo says and I quote "not our job to know gun laws" chew on that one a while

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two words Standup...Sit Down!

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Now yer gettin it guys .lets all sing in the key of G. G for gun.
If it were a firearm we'd need a firearm license, but we don't so it taint

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Just to be clear Standup....it is a firearm for purposes of the CC. Point it at someone as see what you get charged with !!!

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Just to be clear Standup....it is a firearm for purposes of the CC. Point it at someone as see what you get charged with !!!

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The topic at hand is storage. Pitch forks fall into the dont point it rule. How do farmers store them?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The gun in question is a firearm as defined by the Criminal Code. However, the Regs under the Firearms Act
Regulate classes of firearms.
Antiques can be stored or displayed without locks or rendering them inoperable.
It's been a long time....I screwed up and forgot that regulation!!
The firearms regulations in Canada are confusing at best.

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It became a lot more muddy a couple years back, technically your airguns and paintball guns need to be stored in a case, not sure if locks are required but they muddied things more.

You know you've answered two similar threads differently huh

Does this mean I have to store my pneumatic nail gun in a case?

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Does this mean I have to store my pneumatic nail gun in a case?

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Gotta lock it

Lock everything, everyone, the dog, cat.

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Does this mean I have to store my pneumatic nail gun in a case?

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Does you pneumatic nail gun have a barrel and shoot a projectile? I believe nail guns push with a rod a nail into the wood, not barrelled.

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It became a lot more muddy a couple years back, technically your airguns and paintball guns need to be stored in a case, not sure if locks are required but they muddied things more.

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Huh ?????

Oh my....I lost brain cells reading this thread.

1. Standup, maybe you should sit back and breathe. You're treating this forum like your own personal soap box every time you have a grievance against someone or something. ( Ex wife, Police officer, someone who you think is a biker). Breathe....think before posting.

2. The definition of firearm under the firearms act is a different animal than under the Criminal Code. This was done so that individuals committing crimes with pellet guns, airsoft markers, paintball guns, etc could face a harsher penalty. The CC definition is only triggered when an offense occurs. Much like holding a hammer while having an argument is not on offence, but if you assault the person with it, it becomes assault with a weapon.

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Huh ?????

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"These air guns are exempt from the specific safe storage, transportation and handling requirements set out in the regulations supporting the Firearms Act. However, the Criminal Code requires that reasonable precautions be taken to use, carry, handle, store, transport and ship them in a safe and secure manner."

This is where things get muddy, that is the text about the Criminal code, Firearms Act vs Criminal Code.

Oh man - what a mess - hey Stand Up - move down here and you can have all the guns you want - even carry them around - even shoot someone once in awhile

get the sniffing salt out.

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Oh man - what a mess - hey Stand Up - move down here and you can have all the guns you want - even carry them around - even shoot someone once in awhile

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Hey.....

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Oh man - what a mess - hey Stand Up - move down here and you can have all the guns you want - even carry them around - even shoot someone once in awhile

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No its better here where guys don't even want the cops to stay within our stringent laws

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oh my....i lost brain cells reading this thread.

1. Standup, maybe you should sit back and breathe. You're treating this forum like your own personal soap box every time you have a grievance against someone or something. ( ex wife, police officer, someone who you think is a biker). Breathe....think before posting.

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can you say
off topic
In short I'll write whatever the forum allows

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can you say
off topic
In short I'll write whatever the fk the forum allows

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You are aware that lots of people read this, lots of people that may know you personally and these rants will not help you moving forward with your settlement, getting your guns back, etc.

Fox is right, a lot of people see this so please keep it civil. I'm not coming down on standup but please remember this is a public forum and swearing and cursing will not be allowed.
Thank you.
Mark C.

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Fox is right, a lot of people see this so please keep it civil. I'm not coming down on standup but please remember this is a public forum and swearing and cursing will not be allowed.
Thank you.
Mark C.

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Oh my god did someone swear ?

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can you say
off topic
In short I'll write whatever the fk the forum allows

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Sure pal.

You come on here numerous times complaining about your legal woes, the ex-wife, etc...seeking support, and you usually get it in spades, from guys ( me included) who have sympathized with you.

You are now at a point where most of us are becoming exhausted with the saga and drama which you seem perfectly willing to throw out there for everyone ( and I mean the whole internet) to see....

You get a little push back on some of your arguments from some folks, and then decide it's time to start insulting others....

Here's a tip....don't throw your business on the table for all to see if you're not willing to hear some negativity.

Maybe off topic should be about how cotton candy is made

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Maybe off topic should be about how cotton candy is made

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As a 61 yr. old who has dealt with quite a bit of crap through the years, might I offer some advice?

Quit yer pizzin n moan'n on the Internet. Man up and deal with your troubles! You're the only one who can help yourself.

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The good old days were so simple. As long as you had your form 42 ( I think), you could carry what you wanted where ever you wanted, but if you did something nasty you would be charged. We stored our guns where we needed them, and had enough common sense to keep them away from young kids. Some kids were smart enough to start shooting on their own at 12, others were too dumb to do so at twenty. Either way, if you did stupid you got into trouble....

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The good old days were so simple. As long as you had your form 42 ( I think), you could carry what you wanted where ever you wanted, but if you did something nasty you would be charged. We stored our guns where we needed them, and had enough common sense to keep them away from young kids. Some kids were smart enough to start shooting on their own at 12, others were too dumb to do so at twenty. Either way, if you did stupid you got into trouble....

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Unfortunately , those days a long gone, and now we have to contend with what "big brother " has to say we must do, It seems that we are no longer trusted as we were back when.

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Unfortunately , those days a long gone, and now we have to contend with what "big brother " has to say we must do, It seems that we are no longer trusted as we were back when.

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That's ok wasn't me said it...whew thank god or the ood posy woulda had to poo on me

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Unfortunately , those days a long gone, and now we have to contend with what "big brother " has to say we must do, It seems that we are no longer trusted as we were back when.

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That's ok wasn't me said it...whew thank god or the ood posy woulda had to poo on me

To me, the trust factor plays a big part. When I was getting my permit, MTP interviewed my wife, neighbour's, boss as well as the names I submitted. I don't recall who those references were as this all occurred about fifty years ago.
As a result of their investigations they decided that I could be trusted not to fly off the handle and shoot the place up so I got my carrying permit, good Canada wide, 24/7, any restricted handgun.
Then Trudeau #1 came along and decreed that we were all equal. In effect this meant that none of us were to be trusted any more than those in the GTA who the cops knew by sight. No one had ever accused me of any antisocial behavior but suddenly my privileges started to disappear .
It seems that our leaders feel that we are as corrupt as they.

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To me, the trust factor plays a big part. When I was getting my permit, MTP interviewed my wife, neighbour's, boss as well as the names I submitted. I don't recall who those references were as this all occurred about fifty years ago.
As a result of their investigations they decided that I could be trusted not to fly off the handle and shoot the place up so I got my carrying permit, good Canada wide, 24/7, any restricted handgun.
Then Trudeau #1 came along and decreed that we were all equal. In effect this meant that none of us were to be trusted any more than those in the GTA who the cops knew by sight. No one had ever accused me of any antisocial behavior but suddenly my privileges started to disappear .
It seems that our leaders feel that we are as corrupt as they.

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Absolutely agree