Latest Shootings in Canada

Listened to the noon hour news and heard we have shootings here in Canada right here in Ontario.
One dead in London , 3 arrested and 2 found dead in Kitchener.
There was also 1 shooting in Calgary.
Unfortunate but it does happen, yes you do not have to live in the U.S. with it's many gun owners for it to happen .
It is an unfortunate that we have a crumbling society with a low esteem for human life , there are more of these shootings happening in the U.S. because their population is almost 10 times what ours is .
U.S. pop. in 2014 -318.9 million verses ours in 2014 @ 35,540,400.

It would just make sense, ten times more of everything including crime.....
I got to think that stress has to be one of the biggest factors in committing those types of crimes

Awful event in London. 14 year old noticed his cell phone was missing. He used his locator app to find it. When he approached the car and asked for his phone, someone shot him dead and left.

I sure hope they find the 3 suspects soon ; those are dangerous men.

sorry- edited to 18 years old

The dead teen in London is 18 year old Jeremy Cook originally from Brampton , 3 suspects have been arrested.
link ;http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/ei...london-parking

York region aka mini Detroit.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

York region aka mini Detroit.

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But if the Truedope gets elected, between him and Payette this will never ever happen again in Canada. They tell us they can do this with" circumcision" lmao so it must be true, honestly they believe this and expect everyone else to follow the dumb leader and jump off the cliff with them. That my friends is the gospel according to Truedope and his band of mentally unstable cronies!!

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Originally Posted by fratri

It would just make sense, ten times more of everything including crime.....
I got to think that stress has to be one of the biggest factors in committing those types of crimes

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Come on now fratri, STRESS, I am not trying to be smart, but. I am quite sure you , me and hundreds of others on here have dealt with stress on numerous occasions, without resorting to violence. No money for bills, food, personal issues etcetera etcetera. We work through these issues and prosper and become better people. Iam always amazed at how quickly some people blame society at large for people's woes. Lay the lame where it belongs, right at the front door not on everyone else. If I got in trouble growing up, I didn't get sympathy or coddling from my parents. I got chastised and was told to fix it. Don't blame anyone else, blame yourself first and take a look in the mirror, then fix it as fast and best as you can.

Hence why if for some reason one want to look at things here vs things in the US.

Stands per capita are important. In this case.
Gun deaths per 100,000 or gun murders per 100,000k

Statistically at least with respect to gun deaths which includes suicides, accidents, murder etc.
The US is an outrider, off the charts relative to most comparible western societies....aka dirty bath water.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Listened to the noon hour news and heard we have shootings here in Canada right here in Ontario.
One dead in London , 3 arrested and 2 found dead in Kitchener.
There was also 1 shooting in Calgary.
Unfortunate but it does happen, yes you do not have to live in the U.S. with it's many gun owners for it to happen .
It is an unfortunate that we have a crumbling society with a low esteem for human life , there are more of these shootings happening in the U.S. because their population is almost 10 times what ours is .
U.S. pop. in 2014 -318.9 million verses ours in 2014 @ 35,540,400.

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The shooting in Calgary was with a cross bow of all things .

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Unfortunate but it does happen, yes you do not have to live in the U.S. with it's many gun owners for it to happen .
It is an unfortunate that we have a crumbling society with a low esteem for human life , there are more of these shootings happening in the U.S. because their population is almost 10 times what ours is .
U.S. pop. in 2014 -318.9 million verses ours in 2014 @ 35,540,400.

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So, this is how you also explain that roughly 100 kids under 14 died every year in the state by accidental gun discharge?

There has been a rash of shootings, but the 'gang related' shootings need to be addressed separately. Personally I tend to see gang shootings as a self-policing mechanism.

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Originally Posted by seabast

So, this is how you also explain that roughly 100 kids under 14 died every year in the state by accidental gun discharge?

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Well said.

This is all up the road from my place. Just across the street from where Karen buys pet food.

So, this is how you also explain that roughly 100 kids under 14 died every year in the state by accidental gun discharge?[/QUOTE]

Any number regarding this issue is bad but I think yours is inflated. If you include suicide and homicide it would be around 300 but accidental is 22.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html

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Originally Posted by Mdiddi

So, this is how you also explain that roughly 100 kids under 14 died every year in the state by accidental gun discharge?

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Any number regarding this issue is bad but I think yours is inflated. If you include suicide and homicide it would be around 300 but accidental is 22.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html[/QUOTE]

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The thing with #, you can always find some that prove you right. Not sure where you get "300" though, and let not forget the injured.....

"Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year."

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/t...lence-children

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hildren-yearly

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...-we-dont-know/

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Originally Posted by seabast

So, this is how you also explain that roughly 100 kids under 14 died every year in the state by accidental gun discharge?

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You said this. I said it's inflated.

The CDC I thought was a good source for statistics. The chart I originally used was 2012 but it linked to a more current 2013 which is actually higher than 22. Still not close to a hundred. Under 14 there is approximately 300 deaths including accidental homicide and suicide. If you go up in age that number jumps in suicide and homicide but accidental is not a top ten.

Again no child deaths are good.

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Originally Posted by Mdiddi

You said this. I said it's inflated.

The CDC I thought was a good source for statistics. The chart I originally used was 2012 but it linked to a more current 2013 which is actually higher than 22. Still not close to a hundred. Under 14 there is approximately 300 deaths including accidental homicide and suicide. If you go up in age that number jumps in suicide and homicide but accidental is not a top ten.

Again no child deaths are good.

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Just like I said before depends where you get the #'s, seems like different organizations get different #....

How do you explain that this unintentional firearm deaths don't show up on the CDC table though?

September 2013 3 years old
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3899121.html

November 2013, 2 years old
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/flo...hooting-62307/

If you pay attention you will see that there is no "Unintentional firearm" death from 1 to 4 years old in any of CDC tables. From what I read, I believe that I pretty close from the reality.

Btw, check the last 20 pages of that document, really sad:
http://everytown.org/documents/2014/...cents-lost.pdf

I'm not against gun, I'd love to have a few hand guns, but not everyone can own one...

the cdc chart covers the leading causes which would explain the under 3 missing those tragic events.

When you guys start arguing about how many kids got killed your missing the main point - because some people are careless with their guns and kids get a hold of them are you trying to justify preventing 300 million people from having a gun to defend themselves if needed - there are always going to be accidents with things that people use be it a lawn mower, a car or what have you - if you really want to save lives get rid of cars or make them so they can't only go over 20 miles per hour -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

When you guys start arguing about how many kids got killed your missing the main point - because some people are careless with their guns and kids get a hold of them are you trying to justify preventing 300 million people from having a gun to defend themselves if needed - there are always going to be accidents with things that people use be it a lawn mower, a car or what have you - if you really want to save lives get rid of cars or make them so they can't only go over 20 miles per hour -

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Such propaganda .

Here in Ontario we had better do something about ATVs this summer. Probably more accidental deaths than guns.....

Pat you are better off banning swimming especially in pools. More lives will be saved. Close the beach at L'amble.

Joe if you follow my chain I was simply pointing out that I believed that a statistic used was inflated. I'm a firm believer that accidental gun deaths are preventable and the onus is on the owner. I spend a lot of time introducing people to shooting sports and teaching safe firearm handling.

I often get criticized by people who aren't around guns why I would teach kids including my own how to use guns. I'm of the opinion it should be taught in school at the minimum of ACTS and PROVE as it would surely prevent deaths from the furthest northern village to a downtown alley. I tell people this, kids are going to be around water so we teach them to swim because it could save their life. Kids in my family will be around guns so I teach them safety and how to use them cause it can save their life. At present a child is far more likely to die by drowning then with a firearm.

My daughter is 4 and knows about safe handling.