We're not gonna have a split society

"TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Doug Ford said in the strongest terms yet Thursday that the province will not create a vaccine passport that would allow people to signal to businesses and other organizations that they have been vaccinated.
“The answer is no, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna have a split society,” Ford told reporters in response to a question about creating vaccine passports Thursday at the first press conference he has held in some time.
He said people get proof of vaccination when they get their shot, though he acknowledged that the slips can be forged or falsified. But beyond that, the province will not be creating some sort of digital proof of vaccination as some people have urged."

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/we-re-not...port-1.5510704

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Originally Posted by impact

"TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Doug Ford said in the strongest terms yet Thursday that the province will not create a vaccine passport that would allow people to signal to businesses and other organizations that they have been vaccinated.
“The answer is no, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna have a split society,” Ford told reporters in response to a question about creating vaccine passports Thursday at the first press conference he has held in some time.
He said people get proof of vaccination when they get their shot, though he acknowledged that the slips can be forged or falsified. But beyond that, the province will not be creating some sort of digital proof of vaccination as some people have urged."

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/we-re-not...port-1.5510704

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We're not gonna have a split society

Interesting, I’ve always thought there was no need to have a drinking and smoking age, both place an artificial perspective upon what qualifies an individual to be considered a mature adult. I always thought Aristotle had a far better grasp of the matter when he wrote: “Old in years or old in character the weakness lies not in time lived, but rather in living and choosing pursuits according to the emotions”.

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Man, the Snowflakes are having a melt down over that announcement, the true believers are really upset. :)

It certainly was not a goodwill gesture announcement by Ford. This would have been a huge violation of our charter of rights and freedom.
The lawyers were all over this one. They just lost their card in manipulating people into getting a jab.

Ford's wrong. We are going to have a split society. He just won't be the one to split it. The vaccinated already enjoy privileges denied to the unvaccinated. Expect the trend to continue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0eFJgwK7so

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Ford's wrong. We are going to have a split society. He just won't be the one to split it. The vaccinated already enjoy privileges denied to the unvaccinated. Expect the trend to continue.

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I guess at times, I may look at things a bit deeply. Some dwell on the idea that a some new item, like making vaccinations for COVID-19 mandatory, is going to split society. The reality is our society is already so badly fracture over so many different items, one more is not likely to cause much of a ripple. The number of splits in our society reassemble the predicament that Humpty Dumpty found himself in after falling off the wall.

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Ford's wrong. We are going to have a split society. He just won't be the one to split it. The vaccinated already enjoy privileges denied to the unvaccinated. Expect the trend to continue.

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All we can expect is the same old statements being spewed out in a desperate attempt to control the narrative.
The people have awaken to it now. Did you not get the memo?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Man, the Snowflakes are having a melt down over that announcement, the true believers are really upset. :)

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Yep, see below.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Ford's wrong. We are going to have a split society. He just won't be the one to split it. The vaccinated already enjoy privileges denied to the unvaccinated. Expect the trend to continue.

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It sure has been interesting to see how Government thru MSM can manipulate society with misleading data and fear tactics.

They perpetrated the idea that our only hope of survival is the Vaccine, all hail the 'mysterious' new vaccine :)

However, they're upset because only 80% of the population bought into it. They want 100%

First, they tried to push it thru with fear, then coercion with prizes, rewards, and lotteries; but still, 20 % aren't buying into their agenda. So now they're going to try public Ostracism...deny 'privileges and shun the heretics. HaHa...

All this to try and prevent the masses from catching a bad cold...( Delta symptoms in 95% of cases)....or is there another reason they want 100% compliance?

They've never pushed annual Flu shots like this and it kills almost 2K people a year in Ont. Their lucky to get 60% of the population vaccinated and we seem to accept that.

My medical information is between me and my MD (and the MOH) not some minimum wage grocery clerk or a rent-a-cop. If there's an issue,I'll take my business elsewhere and I'll make sure upper management knows it. If businesses are so concerned,they have the option to stay closed. We'll get along without them,no problem.

Not too many will refuse your money....especially if it'll set them up to be boycotted by the 'non-complaint' protesters standing in front of the store.

(Works for the left wing radicals , why not :)

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(Works for the left wing radicals , why not :)

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I'm offended by that name MikePal, please refer to them by their real names,....left wing losers ....:joker:

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My medical information is between me and my MD (and the MOH) not some minimum wage grocery clerk or a rent-a-cop. If there's an issue,I'll take my business elsewhere and I'll make sure upper management knows it. If businesses are so concerned,they have the option to stay closed. We'll get along without them,no problem.

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This here is how I feel, answering questions about your personal health to strangers should never be a requirement. It seems to be pretty common recently to ask people direct questions about things that are frankly, none of anyone's business. If you are scared of people having their privacy, go hide under a rock.

In case you wonder, I'm fully vaccinated although I was under duress :joker:

Guys, you know I'm not a left wing nut ... but I don't think it's gonna be that cut and dry.

Right now, businesses have to decide what is right for BOTH those vaccinated and not vaccinated.
There will be a big push back from those vaccinated to have additional measures for those not vaccinated ...
and given in Ontario at least 80% will be vaccinated ... yes, money talks ... the 80% will win if this comes to a head.

Here's an example ... in my line of work, we build major projects ... some in remote camp sites. Some clients are insisting
that only vaccinated people will be allowed on site. This is real, and no one is stopping them from enforcing that "rule".

As you know, certain universities in Ontario have drawn the line and said only people that are double vaccinated will be
allowed on campus in person.

Anti-vaxxers can cry all they want about those kinds of rules, but until this is challenged and won at the Supreme Court (many
years from now) ... there's zero direction from the government, and in fact, government probably won't put any pressure on
these companies, as they WANT people to vaccinate.

So ... for sure there will be rules in place from one business to the next that will treat those vaccinated differently to those
unvaccinated.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Guys, you know I'm not a left wing nut ... but I don't think it's gonna be that cut and dry.

Right now, businesses have to decide what is right for BOTH those vaccinated and not vaccinated.
There will be a big push back from those vaccinated to have additional measures for those not vaccinated ...
and given in Ontario at least 80% will be vaccinated ... yes, money talks ... the 80% will win if this comes to a head.

Here's an example ... in my line of work, we build major projects ... some in remote camp sites. Some clients are insisting
that only vaccinated people will be allowed on site. This is real, and no one is stopping them from enforcing that "rule".

As you know, certain universities in Ontario have drawn the line and said only people that are double vaccinated will be
allowed on campus in person.

Anti-vaxxers can cry all they want about those kinds of rules, but until this is challenged and won at the Supreme Court (many
years from now) ... there's zero direction from the government, and in fact, government probably won't put any pressure on
these companies, as they WANT people to vaccinate.

So ... for sure there will be rules in place from one business to the next that will treat those vaccinated differently to those
unvaccinated.

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If the un-vaccinated are such a health hazard, how possibly do we have provinces in our country wide open with no masks, yet the numbers are declining.:scream:..?..
This fact alone can't be true if you buy into the MSM fear factor.

The fear is more dangerous than the virus...

Smart business people will cater to both camps. Marketing 101.
This is already seen by the explosion of free speech sites now available.
The divide and conquer narrative is crumbling.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Guys, you know I'm not a left wing nut ... but I don't think it's gonna be that cut and dry.

Right now, businesses have to decide what is right for BOTH those vaccinated and not vaccinated.
There will be a big push back from those vaccinated to have additional measures for those not vaccinated ...
and given in Ontario at least 80% will be vaccinated ... yes, money talks ... the 80% will win if this comes to a head.

Here's an example ... in my line of work, we build major projects ... some in remote camp sites. Some clients are insisting
that only vaccinated people will be allowed on site. This is real, and no one is stopping them from enforcing that "rule".

As you know, certain universities in Ontario have drawn the line and said only people that are double vaccinated will be
allowed on campus in person.

Anti-vaxxers can cry all they want about those kinds of rules, but until this is challenged and won at the Supreme Court (many
years from now) ... there's zero direction from the government, and in fact, government probably won't put any pressure on
these companies, as they WANT people to vaccinate.

So ... for sure there will be rules in place from one business to the next that will treat those vaccinated differently to those
unvaccinated.

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What remains uncertain at this point is what threat is presented by the anti-vaxxers to those of us who've had our shots. One of the guys I shoot with has, for his own reasons, decided not to get vaccinated. He's diligent about social distancing, wearing a mask where it is required and isn't spreading wild rumours and fake news about the vaccine. I respect his decision and based on current information will continue to shoot with him.

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What remains uncertain at this point is what threat is presented by the anti-vaxxers to those of us who've had our shots. One of the guys I shoot with has, for his own reasons, decided not to get vaccinated. He's diligent about social distancing, wearing a mask where it is required and isn't spreading wild rumours and fake news about the vaccine. I respect his decision and based on current information will continue to shoot with him.

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What I don't get is, why are those who have had both shots worried about getting the virus..lack of trust in the vaccine. ??

Data shows you might (rarely) get a Variant, well then the vaccines there are giving now are no good and we're back to square one. That is not an issue with those who didn't get the vaccine spreading it. It an issue with trying to stop a virus that will continue to mutate and made all vaccine's will be useless in time.

If you trust the science and are convinced you're safe being double vaccinated, then it doesn't matter what the rest of society is doing, you have no reason to fear those that didn't get vaccinated.

Why should anyone who has ben vaccinated live in fear of others regardless of their inoculation status?
Your logic makes zero sense whatsoever! Do you truly believe that this will not be questioned and challenged?

A threat from the non vaccinated? MSM propaganda BS at its finest ....lol

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If the un-vaccinated are such a health hazard, how possibly do we have provinces in our country wide open with no masks, yet the numbers are declining.:scream:..?..
This fact alone can't be true if you buy into the MSM fear factor.

The fear is more dangerous than the virus...

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For the exact same reasons that despite nobody being vaccinated last summer we had the exact same declines

That’s just a fact and it means nothing more than seasonal declines

It will be fall before anyone knows if vaccines work or not

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If the un-vaccinated are such a health hazard, how possibly do we have provinces in our country wide open with no masks, yet the numbers are declining.:scream:..?..
This fact alone can't be true if you buy into the MSM fear factor.

The fear is more dangerous than the virus...

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Good question ... ask the government. Ask companies that are implementing two different sets of rules.
It's not a matter of who is right ... it's a matter of what is happening.
There's already two sets of rules ... we shouldn't ignore that fact.

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For the exact same reasons that despite nobody being vaccinated last summer we had the exact same declines

That’s just a fact and it means nothing more than seasonal declines

It will be fall before anyone knows if vaccines work or not

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It probably won't take that long. Considering that Israel was one of the first countries to vaccinate and have now begun third shots for the most vulnerable (who were first in round 1). They obviously aren't too confident in the protection from the first 2 shots.

Have a look at the UK as well. They were being used as the shining example of what vaccines were doing only a few short months ago.



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I see Boris Johnson is in isolation after exposure to a Covid Case....now here's a guy who had the virus, and both his vaccination shots and they still don't trust the 'science'. They are so immersed in fear that all common sense is gone.

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The government announced at 0700 GMT that Johnson and Sunak had been exposed to a person with COVID-19 and would take part in a trial scheme that allowed them to keep working instead of self-isolating.

But less than three hours later that decision had been reversed after a flurry of criticism from voters, political opponents and business owners.

"We did look briefly at the idea of us taking part in the pilot scheme... but I think it's far more important that everybody sticks to the same rules," Johnson said in a video message from his country residence, where he will isolate until July 26.

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I see Boris Johnson is in isolation after exposure to a Covid Case....now here's a guy who had the virus, and both his vaccination shots and they still don't trust the 'science'. They are so immersed in fear that all common sense is gone.

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Well, to be fair ... vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID and spreading it. It simply should reduce the severity of your illness.
So if he has COVID, perhaps the reasoning to isolate is to prevent unnecessary exposure to others, particularly those that have not yet received two doses of vaccine.

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Well, to be fair ... vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID and spreading it.

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So how are we going to get out of this if the vaccine doesn't stop the spread ???

I like how the article says they were put into isolation because that is the procedure....not because of fear of spreading it, just because if your exposed you have to self isolate, regardless of the vaccination profile. Ridiculous...there is no hope with that kind of thinking.

We're going to be in perpetual quarantine even with their miracle mRNA vaccine...

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Well, to be fair ... vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID and spreading it.

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That would make it a mockery of the Vaccine Passport; Only holders will be allowed into the movie theatre..but they could all be carries and spreaders .

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Well, to be fair ... vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID and spreading it. It simply should reduce the severity of your illness.
So if he has COVID, perhaps the reasoning to isolate is to prevent unnecessary exposure to others, particularly those that have not yet received two doses of vaccine.

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My neighbor told me it does the same as the regular flu shot he said lol. I just laughed that's what the news said he was saying, he told me I needed it to get the economy back going and go back to how it was before.

Notice some of the radio ads are saying get the shot to protect yourself. Meaning you the person who got it not the other's around you LoL. .


Heard they are afraid of the boosters it might cause to much damage . Until the deaths start again it will be more noticeable. Sounds like they could be in a pickle soon. They will be 3 or 4 shots in before the first trials are done. Scary. Apparently the man who made and created the mnra technology won't take it.



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So how are we going to get out of this if the vaccine doesn't stop the spread ???

I like how the article says they were put into isolation because that is the procedure....not because of fear of spreading it, just because if your exposed you have to self isolate, regardless of the vaccination profile. Ridiculous...there is no hope with that kind of thinking.

We're going to be in perpetual quarantine even with their miracle mRNA vaccine...

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All of this is to simple prevent inundating our health care system, and hopefully reducing deaths as the severity of illness shouldn't be as bad as without the vaccine. I know several that had COVID ... it was really bad for most, and they needed hospital visits at one stage. So I'll give COVID that ... it's worse than any flu I've ever known for sure.

I'd like to think once enough people get vaccinated ... say 90% of the population ... the 10% that don't get it ... shouldn't stop us from going back to a normal life. We'll all eventually get COVID, it should feel like a weak flu ... and that's it. For those that don't get the jab (the 10%) ... they may experience more severe illness, and some will need to be hospitalized, but the numbers shouldn't be no where near our ICU capacity.

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My neighbor told me it does the same as the regular flu shot he said lol. I just laughed that's what the news said he was saying, he told me I needed it to get the economy back going and go back to how it was before.

Notice some of the radio ads are saying get the shot to protect yourself. Meaning you the person who got it not the other's around you LoL. .


Heard they are afraid of the boosters it might cause to much damage . Until the deaths start again it will be more noticeable. Sounds like they could be in a pickle soon. They will be 3 or 4 shots in before the first trials are done. Scary. Apparently the man who made and created the mnra technology won't take it.



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I get it ... those who aren't taking it because they feel there hasn't been sufficient testing ... that makes total sense to me. But I also say, be prepared, life is going to get tough (in my opinion) for those that aren't vaccinated. The government WANTS you vaccinated, so they'll support any business that supports vaccination.

I got both shots, because I don't think I really have a choice. They say you have a choice, but then when I need to travel without the vaccine ... it becomes very, very difficult. I don't want to have to go through all that, COVID tests, quarantine ... who's to say they aren't actually dosing you with vaccine anyhow when they swab your brain (lol) for a COVID test?