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This interview lays out how the mass vaccination program is creating the variants, problems with the immunity you get from the vaccines when you are infected by variants and the loss of your innate immune system. The vaccines are turning the world into a giant gain of function laboratory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc
How do vaccines make you lose your innate immune system? You are aware of how vaccines work right, they make your immune system attack something to build up immunity, that is why you feel run down after a vaccination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
I'm about half an hour in. Obviously the poster above didn't watch it, or failed to grasp the concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
So far it does a good job of highlighting the dangers of a vaccination campaign while people are constantly exposed to the virus.
We may just have a real pandemic at some point. Real time global gain of function experiment.
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Imagine it having the same effect as the ferrets after being exposed yikes.
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http://https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/art...vanden-bossche
Counter argument...
https://factcheck.afp.com/mass-covid...ntrol-variants
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/cou...9-vaccination/
Edits include more in-depth analysis of the original YouTube post.
That's not a counter argument, that's a hit piece. Watch the video, which I am guessing you didn't along with Fox, and lets discuss what is in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead
If Geert is wrong I want to know but this article is an extremely poor counter. There are a bunch of problems with what is written when put up against the linked interview.
Researchers say pfizer vaccine may reprogram innate immune response
https://youtu.be/1ACU4kq9iOw
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These doctors take it one step further.
https://rumble.com/vh1v77-mind-blowi...millions-.html
If you want people to take you seriously don't use anything with fact check in the web address or title. These are hits pieces with some counter argument sprinkled in, that should be a big red flag...can we stick to the facts please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead
I can see the problems in these counter arguments, can you?
I clicked the fact checker and it's story is not the same they are twisting his words around lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
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Yes, there are problems with issues in both your video and the articles I found - because we are in unknown territory with this pandemic and questions will remain on the future - nobody has a crystal ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Forgive me if I am a skeptic regarding the voice of one doctor from YouTube or Facebook. As a rule, I would rather read a science article from an accredited University like McGill or Harvard or from the Lancet than an opinion from a random physician on social media, no matter who they are. I respect your curiosity and your freedom of choice to make your decisions on this matter. I will exercise my Charter rights to do the same.
Thanks for that McGill link. It's very comprehensive in explaining why Vaden Bossche is out to lunch. Also, he's not a physician but a veterinarian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead
Here's another view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyQ...hannel=ZDoggMD
Why is it Canada says we need to be 75 percent of the first dose and 20 percent fully vaccinated before we can begin to loosen the restrictions.
They are pretty much saying the only way to a bit normal live is if you get the vaccine.
Many places in the USA are fully open and they are not 50 percent vaccinated .
The Roadmap life after vaccines is a joke. Using an experimental vaccine to threaten us to getting back to normal. Hundreds of front line workers have denied the vaccine in northern Ontario and hundreds of thousands in the USA.
Normally they wouldn't be able to work it there was an outbreak but then they wouldn't have the people to work so what are they going to do.
You better get that shot if you want to go camping this year or see your friend's and family. In limited numbers tho if everyone gets their vaccine we can open just like we did last year without it.
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Indeed. Remember when vaccines used to be tested on animals first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Hence, veterinarians.
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Are you kidding? I am embarrassed for you, that's 16 min of my life I won't get back. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. I am guessing you didn't watch the original interview. I apologize if you did watch it and if you did, then I have to question your comprehension abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
There is nothing wrong with being skeptical. I am skeptical as well and with that comes the desire for answers. To get answers both sides need to be explored. I am looking but all the counters I see to Geert are riddled false equivalencies, missing details to their arguments and character assassinationQuote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead
Without going line by line and clip by clip these are the issues I see.
Firstly, when your argument engages in character assassination your argument loses credibility. If your argument is sound it should be able to stand on its own merits.
So here are the main issues and my understanding of them.
This is a new technology and in that light Geert ideas are just a theory and so are the rebuttals. In the rebuttals they reference regular vaccines so there we have a false equivalency.
When they are referring to leaky vaccines again we are in new territory and dealing with theories on both side because we have never used this technology before. Everyone running around with 1 dose should be considered much more leaky (based on efficacy stated by the manufacturers) than the leaky vaccines referred to in the counter arguments. So again a false equivalency.
So we have people with 1 dose running around at 60% efficacy. So during this time they contract the virus, mount a weak response driving mutations and immune escape. Think about how far they are pushing out second doses or the amount of people that will never get a second dose. The lockdowns also prolong the presence of the virus in a population which is also a driver of mutations. We are turning the planet into one big gain of function laboratory.
Now when we get to immune response again it is theory on both sides. Geert's idea is that the immune response created by the vaccine is very specific instead of a broad immune response mounted by natural infection. Now later on if you have been vaccinated and are challenged with a variant your immune system will recall the response from the vaccine and these bodies will outcompete your natural immune response. He theorizes that if the variant is far enough from the vaccine base you will essentially be defenseless against the variant.
There was also discussion of mutation rate. The rebuttals just say that COVID mutates at a slower rate than regular coronaviruses but they never give that rate. I believe Geert put the rate at around 10hrs (have to review the interview). The rebuttals not giving the rate is suspicious, it sounds like they are addressing it but leaving details out deliberately to support their argument. I believe Geert actually makes the point that the variants are appearing at such speed that we cannot possibly create the vaccines fast enough or distribute them fast enough to deal with all the variants in time.
In the end Geert's logic is sound and if you follow the likes of Bret Weinstein he lays it out pretty good. Both sides are taking the knowledge that is out there and putting together theories to guess what may happen because so much of this is uncharted territory. The way that the rebuttals were written with lack of details, false equivalencies and character assassination really erodes their arguments.
The guys a qauck, comments were entertaining 3.5k likes 8.6k dislikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
LOL. My comprehension is just fine thanks for asking. I presented it as an alternative view to a whacked out Dutch veterinarian who has been soundly and roundly refuted by everyone except for reactionary malcontents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
So you watched the original interview and think your link is a credible alternative view? I am asking an honest question here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Your question is hardly honest when your initial response was a personal attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Vanden Bossche's nonsense can be boiled down to a single point: Do nothing. No lockdowns, no vaccines. Let the vaccine race through humanity to build up "natural immunity" regardless whether it kills millions more in the process. Not going to happen.
Did you watch the interview or not?
Jakezilla
Geert is no fool - he is a smart man with a much deeper knowledge base than most of us here on a hunting/fishing forum. Some of the stuff he speaks to definitely makes some sense. I do not dispute that his claims have some merit. What bothers me about many of these arguments is that they are just that - one scientist's opinion on what "may or may not" happen with a mass vaccine rollout. He is right - there may be problems with how fast we acted.
However, we are faced with a truly awful problem: wait years for vaccines to be studied so we can prove/disprove these possible adverse effects and let many thousands and thousands of people endure great suffering and death, or make a leap of faith based on pretty damn good evidence supported by science and try to save a whole lot of lives and suffering. The majority of scientists and doctors feel it's worth the risk. I agree with them. Those statistics and numbers that so many love to quote should remember they represent people. Where do you draw the line on taking an acceptable medical risk vs the death and suffering of so many lives? It's a tough call. Glad I'm not the one to make it.
It was an interesting video. Thanks and be well.
Sounds good...we can agree to disagree and everyone else reading this thread can do what they want with the information. Your guess about all this is as good as mine.
As an alternative to vaccines or compliment to vaccines and a way out of all this and Geert's predictions, roll out the ivermectin.
This podcast is definitely worth a listen.
It starts with talk about the possible lab leak of COVID then it goes into Ivermectin, COVID, Big Pharma, media and the WHO....everything you wanted to know and it's criminal. The COVID stuff ends around 1:15
It could be used as the opening statement in the crimes against humanity trial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxTODvTNHlw
"The truth is like a lion, you don't need to protect it, just let it lose it will defend itself"
Tony Fauci, the ringleader spokesman of this plandemic is about to get taken down, that should be pretty clear by now.
What are the chances of a tornado hitting Wuhan at this moment in time. I know it's a nothing to see here conspiracy theory. LOL
https://rumble.com/vh4nuj-ccr-have-y...-the-rain.html
I'll believe it when i see it just like one of your other prophecies - this one was made march 5th in this thread - https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...der-Keg/page4:Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
According to your prediction the military was supposed to intervene on Trump's behalf the weekend of March 6th. 10 weeks later and still waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
I'm not running the plan, my wishful date was just that, wishful. Again, hence the fingers crossed.
It's got nothing to do with prophecy, it's where all the evidents points and it hasn't changed only gotten stronger.
Let's hope you do believe it when you see it.
Part of the problem is it's too unbelievable to believe.
Well let's just agree to disagree. Ideology aside i saw you took a nice turkey this spring - congrats. Still chasing mine but switching gears to spring bear over the next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Thanks, best of luck I enjoy reading your bear stories.
Here's the thing: we can argue back and forth whether this was a "plandemic" or just a biological inevitability. Maybe it was both?? Time will show us the answers eventually. The issue remains: This virus kills people rather well. Many, many people are sick and dying around the world. The evidence to this cannot be ignored. We have two choices: do something, or do nothing. The world has chosen to use lockdowns and vaccines to try to reduce human suffering. I am OK with that. My kids still have a grandma....
Next on my list is this: What am I GOING TO DO, personally? Ranting and raving that doom awaits us is an infernally giant waste of time. I cannot influence world politics or economics. What I CAN DO is help my elderly 92 yr old neighbour by getting her groceries, help my kids with homework, teach my son how to use a power saw, go fishing with my wife and give a few walleye to someone who can't go fishing because they aren't able. I can count my blessings and call my relatives to let them know I am thinking about them. AND I CAN VOTE.
I do not begrudge anyone for "digging deeper" to try to understand this situation. BUT nobody has the answers to what the future holds. I choose to have faith in what the majority of health care professionals and scientists world wide have decided to do, even if it is not perfect. As for vaccines - well, we will have to wait and see.
For anyone wondering about the 5G microchip in the Pfizer shot, I can tell you that my cell service out in the sticks has not gotten any better since my upgrade and I do feel kind of cheated....
See when i got my upgrade the salesman told me i had to buy an additional monthly data plan before the upgrade would be of any use. Only cost $22.99 USD per month and now i get signal everywhere and guaranteed COVID free for life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead
Wow moose head well said. RespectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Moosehead