https://nationalpost.com/entertainme...ooks-cancelled
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Yea saw that on the news and shook my head ..really ???
Cartoon characters are 'people' now... When will this nonsense be called out for what it is...Political Correctness gone mad.Quote:
Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the official manager of books published under the moniker Dr. Seuss, announced Tuesday that it will no longer be publishing six Dr. Seuss titles because they “portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong.”
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In recent years, however, Geisel has been targeted for imagery deemed stereotypical or out-of-date, including a 2014 scholarly work asserting that The Cat in the Hat is an elaborate mockery of black people. In 2017, when then-First Lady Melania Trump gifted a collection of Dr. Seuss to a Massachusetts school, the books were returned by librarian Liz Phipps Soeiro with a note that the literature was “steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes.”
After the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941, Geisel published a number of cartoons depicting Japanese people with stereotypically prominent front teeth. One 1942 cartoon even endorses Japanese-American internment by showing Japanese-Americans as disloyal citizens stockpiling explosives and “waiting for the signal from home.”
Despite this, Geisel could simultaneously take stances against racism and prejudice, even when those concepts were against the mainstream. While an editorial cartoonist for the liberal New York paper PM, Geisel was an early advocate for strong U.S. action against Nazi Germany, and in one cartoon said Americans needed a “good mental insecticide” to clear their minds of “racial prejudice.”
Devil would be in the details for me. Which books, and why exactly. So I’ll reserve judgement for now.
Some things are, well, just dumb and victims of cancel culture. Mr Potato head?
Others less so.
We have a 50 or 60 page thread on racism, religion ( thankfully it get too deep into sexism). Whether it’s “real” or not. There’s another thread about transgender, and whether minors should be able to decide to have procedures. Stiff resistance to that.
Apples don’t fall far. What they read, see and hear. Will help form their own perceptions, moral compasses and more. I’m pretty sure Hitler portrayed Jewish people in a poor way. Some toddlers go years believing in Santa, or even god.............
I personally can’t recall any Dr Suess characterization but times were certainly very different back then...
Welcome to the future lol.
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Under the Liberals it will be back to book burning. I'm positive that our Liberals on here will endorse book burning.
Big tech is already censoring and deleting your content. Cancel culture marches on.......
Other then this site and one other gun site, I don't have any social Media accounts. I have no twitter or facebook or Instagram or tik-tok or what ever other crap is out there.
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Originally Posted by impact
It is all over the place, when Jordan Peterson's book was announced at the printing company there were people crying and screaming... at a book printing company. His new book just came out, should be "interesting" to see the mental/moral atrophied going nuts. We have a government that is banning airsoft guns and the cabinet won't criticize the imprisonment and torture and reeducation of over 1,000,000 .... most ignore the 250,000+ in North Korea too. The US vs THEM is going nuts while some can say anything and other raked over the coals for months by the media for far less than this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po
Off the rail nuts, if Harper had said the reverse they would still be running 10 minute pieces each night on CBC but because it is the media approved (big payouts) and ideologically match Justlied gets a pass.... they are looking for offence that doesn't match theirs to attack, perceived or real or just made up.
I'm not a poet but here is my start for the new
Dr Libtard texts to replace Dr Suess
Look at the snowflake look up to the sky,
I offered him a piece of some apple pie,
He hated apples and started to scream and cry,
"I hate apples, I hate you and I hope you die".
I had said something he did not like,
for the next two weeks he screamed into a mic
to the police he screamed the actions to take
beat and arrest apple pie makers who bake
The police came and did what he said,
politicians even wanted all apple trees dead,
the came and arrested me and hit my head
when they were done I was black blue and red
so listen dear children make sure not to offend,
for if you think or ask questions it will have a bad end,
always follow the government rules,
or they will throw you out like old tools.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
If you have a few you want to watch you can just book mark to see what they are saying, sometimes, this one has a lot of stupidity on it.
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau
while these are good at facts
https://twitter.com/CSSA_CILA
https://twitter.com/CSIS
and this one cool pics
https://twitter.com/apod
Remember the Nova Scotia idiocy, it could be handy to know which URLs on TWITter are the real page since there are tones of fakes.
Like my sale watch I have a couple tabs I just click open all tabs on the folder and see what is going on
Been shaking my head on this one since yesterday morning.
There seems to be no limit to the number of things people will dig up and find offensive.
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As a heterosexual white male, I do try to look at things through the eyes someone who is not .Tough to do, I know, but I try.
This is no different than the quiet withdrawal of many Loony Tunes and Disney cartoons that portrayed different races in a manner that is now not regarded as acceptable. No big deal but it provides another excuse for recreational outrage among angry and older middle-class white people.
For such a positive guy, at times, you sure can be negative....... Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Ain't that the truth..Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
But apparently it's appropriate for Coke and UnderArmour to promote "to be less white"....lol
And that is what we should all do. But to avoid the conversation of what it is to be a biological male and female, because we fear it might impact the choice of our children??? This is pure craziness. What is wrong with saying ... hey that thing between your legs, that makes you a male. You cannot ignore that thing ... it doesn't shrink away and change to another thing when you close your eyes and believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
And this is not an attack on children's feelings ... I do sympathize with children that have "different" feelings, and worse yet feel like there is just no support out there for them ... that should be fixed ... but to mass blanket brainwash our kids instead of helping the few that need the help is crazy. It's like saying we shouldn't talk about hair, because there are some people having a hard time with going bald ... so none of us are allowed to talk about hair, and no dolls or books should feature people with hair ... in fact it should be hair-neutral. A child can decide if they want to feel bald or with hair, irrespective of the fact that they have hair.
That thing between your legs makes you a male. You must go through your life that way, no matter what. Even if that in all other things you feel and think, like a female. Who says they must be unhappy their entire life, you? Do you know someone who has been persecuted because of being bald? No one is forced to wear a wig. Some people with big afros, have been told to hide it, or cut their hair.
Well look at what Celina C-G said about Trudeau and being treated as a token, we have seen the useless feds have black only business programs etc. Using the sex or race to create an US vs Them is standard for this pathetic government, as long as it gets them votes no tactic is too low. Our PM will march with BLM that has been directly tied to the deaths of police and just a couple weeks ago was marching in Washington chanting "Burn it down", Proud Boys is considered a terrorist and white supremacist but the leader is a black Cuban, it is beyond ridiculous but the ideologues suck it down!Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Unity, respect, empathy, from the left just virtue signalling words that have nothing in them.
No man is forced to dress like a girl. What's your point?...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I'm just glad all those poor children of visible minority groups no longer have to silently cry themselves to sleep at night after their hurtful bedtime stories.
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Hmmmmm.......they could call it "Sloppy Pat Sauce" but that would just be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
That thing between ANYONE's legs makes them a BIOLOGICAL male period ... no one can change that, no one ... pretending it isn't is just absurdity. If they associate as being a female ... and they feel lonely and persecuted, then they need support. But WHY would we have to try and "fix" the 99% of the kids that have NO issue with this??? And yes, bald people get persecuted all the time ... some people don't go out anymore, they become depressed. So should we stop pretending we all have hair to make bald people feel better???? It's madness, spin it any way you want .... you are arguing that forcing 99% of children to not identify as their biological birth sex, to try and "help" the 1% that doesn't identify as that ... makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
This has been proven look what is going on.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
No man should be told that they cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Who is forcing? They are being told that it is okay to feel that way. The 99% need to be told that there is nothing wrong with the way that the 1 % think. I do believe that your % are off. Do you believe in ‘ conversion therapy’ ? That you can 'fix', none binary sexual identification? Steal from some people, the only life that they have , to fit 'our' mold? For what purpose?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Look at it this way. They were the 6 books out of a vast library of his work that sold the least. Business decision all the way round.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Who tells them they cannot?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I'd like to see some proof, or is this just your usual drivel when faced with truth?
No man can demand someone give them respect, RESPECT is earned.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Bit wait! Men and women are equal, thus the way they think and feel must be equal! You are very sexist to imply otherwise, are you not? By you saying there is a difference aside from the dangle vs inner tangle part makes you the problem. You are canceled!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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The first 3 lines were in reply to his post. Sorry I missed putting it in quotes. Pointing out the fallacy of his argument. My attempt at Sarcasm. . Lol.
No mention of respect in my post.You do not have to respect the man, you do have to respect his rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
The LEFT never respects anyone's rights, not even Trudeau.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Sing it from the rooftops Mark, most older and sensible people will join youQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I have a typical Anglo-French Canadian background, but I am not offended at an image of a settler, a courier-du-bois, a trapper, or anything that came before or after ....so why do some consider pictures of traditional wear by Inuit or Asians offensive ??Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Dr Seuss offensive....we’ve certainly lost our way
Not familiar with the specific books, and only have the vaguest of recolecctions. But spin this a different way, then see if you feel the same.
We now know thanks to family law and men being vilified in the courts for a few decades, there's an entire generation or two of young boys that grew up without father figures, who only had limited access, and their perceptions of fathers and men, not the best. We are these days trying to reverse that. Both in the courts and the knowledge that fathers are just as important as mothers. Read the Huffington Post any day of the week and you will find tripe that paints all men as narcissist and all women as empaths. No-one can deny many make fun of young men with hair buns etc, or what some young boys that don't know what a man is.........
Are we ok with the negative portrayal of white men being the root of all evil these days? A rose by any other name......................
Of course not, but you’re mixing issues. Dr Seuss books don’t portray anyone in a negative light. Traditional might be interpreted as stereotypical by some, but is that NEGATIVE ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
By whose definition?
Us white folk or asians,inuit, or savages that scalp people, or even “blackface”. Ifs not ok JT to do that...but ultimately, isn’t it to the larger degree not us. Who rarely, ever have had to live with being characterized as...And really the only quasi characterization we whites have had to contend with that I can think of, is these days and white men being characterized as the root of all evil
I learned to read with Dick and Jane, I grew up with Tar Baby stories and Aunt Jemima pancakes. Maybe that's what makes me such a mental mess.
Nicely done:)
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OK, so let me use another word for forcing ... "interjecting" ... why in the world do we even need to interject to "fix" a problem that does not exist with 99% of the children. There are boys, and there are girls, and they are happy being boys, and girls. Period. So now, what are you saying, we have to interject and tell them ... hey you ... yes you ... the 5 year old. I'm not going to call you a girl or a boy, so you can just decide what the heck you want to be, irrespective of what your biological sex is ... kids thinking ... uhhhmm, what the heck are you talking about, I have a thing between my legs, I thought that made me a boy?? No, no ... that doesn't make you a boy ... your mind and what you think makes you a boy, or a girl, or whatever you dream you want to be. Boy says, okay, so I want to be a parrot ... society says ... GOOD FOR YOU, we will feed you all the sunflower seeds you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Why, are we fixing what doesn't need fixing ... 99% of the kids don't have any issues ... girls that love wearing a dress, and playing with dolls, girls also playing hockey ... no issues ... boys and girls fishing, whatever ... why do we feel we need to interject in that and make any point, where the kid doesn't even care to hear it??
For the 1% that need the support ... sure, let's help those kids. Whatever way makes sense ...
And as for your question about fixing anything ... I am no psychological expert, so I have no idea what support looks like. Do you? Do you know what is right? Are you 100% sure the things being proposed today are right? Do you know there are people who are PERFECTLY healthy (physically), who identify as having a disability? They want to be blind, or paralyzed. What is okay to accept, and what is not? Should we just allow anyone to be whatever they dream of being ... a dog, a planet, air ... once you open up this pandora's box ... you cannot start drawing lines and say ... well, that is acceptable and this isn't. That would be hypocrisy at its best!
Remember the 'Tom Boys' when we were growing up....it was a social norm back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
If you want to take the time, you can look up those 6 books. In one a white man is drawn whipping a black man. In another a white boy with a gun in his hands is standing on the heads of three Asian people. Is that acceptable in a children's book?
One group got turned down for their grant the reason they weren't black enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Simple question. What ? Is no one is willing to stand up and say that it is acceptable, in a children's book. There is your answer....it is not...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
"a white boy with a gun in his hands is standing on the heads of three Asian people" - if they were Japs during WW2 it was acceptable - what's acceptable at one time may not be at another time - I would say that the 6 books (if you say so) have stuff like that it would be nice to stop publishing them - there are movies that portray the way things were in the pass and should not be tampered with (Gone With The Wind) or books (Huckelberry Fin) - you can't erase history nor should you try - we learn by our mistakes and hopefully become better because of it - slavery was accepted since biblical times - it went on for years though out the world - you can't erase it - it was wrong but accepted for a long time - what are we accepting today that will be looked at in the future as something horribly wrong - I can name a few -
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those that matter don't mind....... Dr. SeussQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Geez Fisher, I don’t check the forum every hour give us a break. You’re right that is not acceptable in my view. Which books ?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
surprisingly, those illustrations weren’t mentioned in the news article
Sorry for my impatience. For those who care to look at the evidence, certainly before condemning the cessation of publishing, please view the books. Many things that were common place , main stream media, 50 years ago are unacceptable now. Times are changing , put them in a museum. certainly not in this day and age, in cartoons and books directed at children. Not because it is PC, but because it is the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
I notice lefties claim everything is racist until it affects them, then they say they are misunderstood. So is it OK for Liberals to be racist day in and day out?
Personally Liberals in general are the most racist people I have ever met. I'm not joking, Trudeau is probably the most racist and Misogynistic ever in Canada. Only a Trudeau has ever sent the Military out on Canadians. Trudeau's father drove around wearing a Nazi helmet. How about "I felt differently about it", lied on his resume to be Liberal leader. In private sector and in the "Real World" Trudeau would be on Skidrow.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
The whole affair reminds me of Ray Bradbury's book 'Fahrenheit 451'. Banning and Burning books due to political posturing.
Interesting, but not surprising, to see those on here with politically left leanings, support the idea of banning literature.
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Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published in 1953. Often regarded as one of his best works,[4] the novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found.[5]
Lol, just read through a few pages of the same old same old.
“What no reply”
From the same people that never criticize the left. Never respond to things when their views are challenged or shown to be baseless...
That challenge is rich in humour and irony.
We few are heroes and martyrs. Look at us. Yep, attention seeking...
Do the majority here forget others are allowed to express different opinions? Yep.
But seriously what do people expect? I’m pretty sure if this were a forum for say poetry and book clubs. There’d be 10 Liberals for every Con. Me,,while more centrist,with both socialist/Con bias, I would tread carefully in such an environment and respect the fact My views are going to be in the minority.
Welcome to 2021
Where universities treat Con views with hostility. Where the Liberals in cities treat rural people no differently.
Majority rules doesn’t it?
and for the record, I’m in the minority in this topic too. Yet, was able to navigate it....
Yet no one has gone out on a limb, to say that an illustration of a black man being whipped by a white character, is acceptable in a children's book. Why ? Because it is not. They are not banning the book, just not printing any more. You could still go buy a copy now if you wish.
I guess we better not hold our breath waiting for TMN to run the original version of "Gone With The Wind".Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Yup, and no one had issues with it ... now we make a big stink. And so much of a stink we have to address this (fix it) with the 99% of the kids that don't have any issue with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Why is Coke promoting to be less white? I don't hear anybody crying racism.
I bet if Pepsi promoted to be less black, the cries of racism by the left would be rampant..lol
No it is not acceptable. But I also have to ask the question, which parent/teacher in their right mind would put those books in front of a child?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Playboy is unacceptable for children ... it is not banned, but parents and educators need to use their discretion about what is and isn't good material for children to access. What about Gone with the Wind ... and multiple other older novels that depict slavery ... where will this all go? Will we erase everything and just pretend none of that happened. It did happen ... and we need to face that awful music ... history is good to document accurately ... if I remember just one thing from my grade school history teacher ... it was him say, and I paraphrase as I cannot remember the exact words, "History, if not for anything else, is good to remind us of our mistakes, so we do not repeat them!"
Do we ban Egyptian history as well?
Oh my! How offensive of an image! Should be immediately banned and removed.
https://i.imgur.com/bM6Xq4y.jpg
The Seuss books are NOT banned. Why do you say what is known to be false? No more are being printed, by order, of the estate of Geisel. Business decision, they still make 30 million a year off his works........ Lets leave pictures in a children's book of black people being whipped, so we can remember, not to put them in children's books. See how silly that sounds.
I never said anything about the Seuss book but cancel culture is a slippery slope to banning fee speech and thoughts. Think Facebook, Twitter, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
The population has reached its limit with the BS and we are now standing our ground.
"Copies of the beloved children’s author’s most popular books were virtually flying out of Amazon and Barnes and Noble’s warehouses, with his works making up nine out of the top 10 bestsellers on both companies' lists as of Thursday evening."
"Online marketplace eBay Inc. said it is working to prevent the resale of the six out-of-print books, although hundreds of listings were still on the website as of Thursday. Many of the listings referenced the books being "banned."
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dr-seuss-book-sales-soar-after-6-titles-canceled-for-racist-imagery
Well you had better find a better controversy to hoist your petard on. You won't get much support, for having obviously raciest pictures in a children's book.
Sorry you are so easily offended. Traumatised in your childhood perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
The books are flying off the shelves. Can't be that bad to everyone. Or does it simply upset drama queens?
These are images that we should never have to see published.
Where is MSM in addressing and preventing this ongoing abuse of our children.
Where is the uproar?
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So, is this ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
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Your not a lefty, you wouldn't understand...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by impact
Everyone should be offended by such illustrations, in a children's book. Collectors always buy up, books not being printed anymore. Seems the people most upset, are those against removing them. Drama queens? Should racist images still be printed, in children's books? Nobody is trying to silence , Samuel Clemens.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
https://i.imgur.com/p6GZOK8.jpg
That photograph and others like it actually HELPED Justin win the last election.
Persons of color I know were so pissed off at the attack ad's made by Conservatives on this went out and voted for him even more. I asked them if they were not offended and basically they told me it was Halloween everybody dress's up so what is the big deal. In the end they were madder at the attack ad's. LOL
Yes it is, in High school History class. With background about why and how it happened in the past, and why it is unacceptable now. A perfect, learn from our mistakes, moment. Not in a primary school music class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Your little hero is about to be spanked again. The WE scandal will bite him in the back end in the very near future. Jail time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
"COVER-UP ALERT: Law Clerk reveals that the government did not reveal all WE Scandal documents Finance committee ordered released in summer and that the government is blacking out information it claims is "not relevant".
Looks like your might break that channel changer.
No, it is not, I am not ok with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Exactly, these Dr Seuss books, the early disney movies, war time propoganda should be viewed in context at an age when people can look at things critically, not when they are little kids. They are not cancelling Dr Seuss, they are deciding as a business not to publish these 6 titles anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I hate these books though, the grammar is horrible, I do not want that taught to my kids.
Wrong ... that is not what I said. I said parents and educators must use discretion for ANY material put in front of a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Just because it is a cartoon doesn't automatically make it child-friendly material. God forbid if we put the Simpsons in front of a 5 year old ...
100% ... all this stuff they are doing protesting against cartoon books, is just token, empty words/actions ... in the end it's all financially motivated too ... they try and avoid society coming down on them and losing so much business because of a targeted attack, and yet the real problem festers.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
They weren't obviously racist until 2021, the books have been around for over a half century. Are the books racist or are people trying harder to be offended?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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Where is it written or implied that one can go through life without being offended -
They were obviously racist, to those groups that they were racist towards.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Do you really think that the N word just one day became a problem?
So you'd like to accuse good old Dr Seuss of hate crimes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That's what it amounts to.
Sorry, can't get on board Fox.
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What I really do not understand is that African Americans continuously utilize that very same word among themselves today. A white person cannot use it because it is deemed racist. The MSM needs to clear that one up....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Morgan Freeman nails it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLj2CVC1VU
What'll be very interesting to watch over the next several month is how our local lefties will need to relearn what it really means to be part of humanity.
The very individuals that have demented their thoughts, the pillars of their ideology, are currently being removed from society because they're sick. It's happening.
There won't be any support for the stupidity we're witnessing now. It'll be the opposite.
Just because we are being prevented from seeing it right now doesn't mean it's not taking place.
Maybe you should support Coke, go buy a case and support a company that promotes to be less white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Racist, or equality, maybe its unity...lol
Absolutely insane. The poor sheep cheering on this censorship will be the first up against the wall when one of their 'problematic' posts or comments are unearthed from years ago. Their virtue signalling won't save them...(as we've seen with LGBTQXYZ+ & BLM flags and Hillary or Biden/Harris lawn signs...Antifa scum still vandalized and terrorized those people for not being 'progressive' enough).
*in the voice of Bill Lumbergh from Office Space*Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Yeahhhh...I'm gonna have to go ahead, and...disagree with you there...
How do you define what's racist in that sense? They are saying minorities are depicted in a racist fashion. Huh? There is an example of an Asian character with chopsticks...did Asians not invent chopsticks? There is nothing wrong with Asian people, so why is there something wrong with a cultural icon? Should we ban Super Mario too?
People are becoming so soft and easily offended. Look what happened at Evergreen college with Brett Weinstein, or at Yale where the dean was surrounded and harassed by a screeching mob of spoiled brats for daring to suggest it might not be the school's responsibility to police the Halloween costumes of young adults. James Damore's infamous Google memo. Don Cherry & Sportsnet/CBC. Gina Carano & Disney. The list is endless.
How are you supposed to defend someone in a court of law if you can't even get through a law course because of some 'problematic' text. We are raising a generation of entitled, weak people who are being conditioned to view everything that makes the West great as corrupt.
Most of the people pushing this censorship nonsense tend to be mid 30's or older, childless spinster feminist cat ladies with more degrees than a thermometer, who are miserable and want to ruin the lives of normal folks. They think they speak for the 'oppressed' and don't realize how condescending they are to these people by treating them like fragile, helpless freaks.
I love this old saying:
Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times <---- we are currently here in 2021
Ohhh wow! Where have you been hiding??? ^^^^^^^^^^^ Excellent post!
Yup we've had it pretty easy since WW 2 with all the good living I think something is a coming to give us awake call.Don't know what or when but it's coming
I've always taken the stance that its not racist unless its intended to be racist. It might be offensive or in poor taste to someone, but that doesn't make it racist.
I read through things and can only smile.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
World of difference between racism, and characterization ( though profiling can be).
Around 50-60 years ago, thinking of women as being barefoot and pregnant was perfectly acceptable. Is it today? I bet most of the manly men here wouldn't dare to tell their spouses women should be barefoot and pregnant..............................Or seen but not heard...
Again don't know the books in question well enough. But if some of the images contain lashings ( perfectly acceptable once upon a time) and or standing over Asian with guns to their heads....
Odd, many here don't have a problem with childrens books portraying that, but do have problems with young kids learning about sex in grade school
:)
Most of us grew up with the likes of Don Rickles and Archie Bunker...back when it OK to make fun and have a laugh. No one go too offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Exactly. To many people wetting their pants over nothing nowadays. Cry babies contributing nothing good to society..Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Technically any show older then 5 years you will find something racist in it. In fact even today's tv and movies I can find lot's that is so called racist.
But see because people don't realize it right now they refuse to acknowledge it. I will find the report on my office PC on Monday that I wrote, she was dismissed with caused and did not get her 2 weeks and is now banned from Government contracts. I turned the tables on her. Essentially I destroyed her for life and to our Liberal friends on here yes I was quite proud of it.
Last Summer I did mange to get a SJW fired from her job. This was a person who I helped with her car and everything then one day she freaked out on "White Men" for no reason.
Some people need to unbunch their pantaloons. No need to get all triggered and engage in a bout of recreational outrage over a silly children's book. The world will survive quite nicely without some Dr. Seuss books containing pictures that some might find offensive.
Your missing the bigger picture...what do 'they' come after next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Exactly. Or forcing gender reassignment surgery on young children...Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Yepp. And who gets to be the arbiter of what's offensive? Just as an example, conservatives in the USA were called deplorables and Nazis on a regular basis. Every single late night talk show host, comedian, professional athlete, entertainer, major corporation and academic institution all have the exact same views ("Orange man bad!") and race to out-do each other with virtue signalling the latest leftist cause. If all of the above support BLM for example, your group is in no way 'oppressed'. You ARE the mainstream lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
It's up to the parents to teach their children right and wrong, and not for the nanny state to ban anything they deem offensive. Things are so upside down that we are somehow viewed as the a-holes for simply questioning it.
If you question the fact that they are ceasing the printing of children’s books , that show black men being whipped by a white man..... well if it walks like a duck.......And they are not banned.No longer printing is much different. Company decision , not a law. Are you trying to tell the publisher that they must print more of them? A private company is trying to please 50% of their customers. Like General mills and Aunt Jemima. No law, just wise. If they thought they could sell more ‘ Hungry Man’ dinners , by changing the name to ‘Hungry Person ‘ , they would.
Who are the some people, and who decides what is offensive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Are you awake yet?
In the case of Dr. Seuss the decision was made by the people who own the rights to the books. The books are their property and they have every right to publish them or not for whatever reasons they choose. The books haven't been banned or burned, are still legal to own and many other Dr. Seuss books remain available.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
People who think that illustrations in a children's book , depicting white men , whipping black men, are acceptable, maybe part of the problem. You do not have to be offended to realize, that it is not the right thing to do.
EBay banned them for sales and libraries around the country are taking them off the shelves...wake up literature is being censored by the cancel culture..the flavour of the day trying to erase our past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
How will our children learn why things are racist unless they understand the history of it.
People are waking up, and realizing that some things done in the past are wrong, and should not continue.
Like what?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Well back home when I was growing up we had Robinson Jam and inside the label was a black man with a big afro hair do either playing a banjo, or with a fishing pole... You took the cut out figure and saved them up and after about 10 you sent them off to Robinson Jam's and you got a metal cut out figure they were called Golly Wog's.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
https://www.google.com/search?q=Robi...EwjUppbRt57vAh
They were around until about 1988.
https://www.kentlive.news/news/nosta...-sticky-549347
Black and White Minstrel show .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoLprj921o
So who would make these rules? There are many things I find offensive, Do only Liberals get to make this decision?
People need to grow up, really a bunch of BS.
When did they stop doing that? What is offensive about it? When I was a Kid we had little plastic toys called Weebles, they came in male /female, black, white, and brown they all wobbled but they never fell down.
Well you would be disrespecting people suffering from Vertigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
If you can't come up with the answers to these question's yourself.......Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
I'm sure they'll pick themselves back up eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
GW I know you have stated you work with people of color, do you think they would like watching the telly with their kid's with the black and White Ministerial show on?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Well you said when you were young so I'll take a guess and say they stopped the promotion around 1920?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Showing black men being whipped by white men, in children's books. Making fun, (at the least), of LGBT community members ..... Who now, would not report someone who beats his wife, no one would say, MYOB, but in the past........ Way to many things, to make a list.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
I guess you missed it as it was right in the middle of my post 1988.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
[QUOTE=fishermccann;1150141]People are waking up, and realizing that some things done in the past are wrong, and should not continue.[/
Lmao, all these crazy events were witnessing after the election are what's being called, getting red pilled. It's actually waking up the masses to the clown world.
I'm not surprised that you're letting it go over your head.
Your wake-up call is on its way.
Society as a whole. Equality is happening, and some people are not happy about it. A minority of people want to keep things , status quo. For the majority , that is not good enough. Humanity can do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Must have or you added it with your edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
It was posted as such and as I researched more examples they were added, you simply did not read it and I made sure to supply it because I anticipated such a question.
Exactly and the results in the USA election show just that and the fact that Conservatives with their "dog whistle" Conservative values have made no traction show's what is happening up here also. Unfortunately the dinosaurs do not see the cloud coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
My bad then I apologize but moving forward I will be sure to reply to your's and Mcann'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
post with quotes only.
No need to apologize it was easily missed being in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
So in the midst of all this "cancel culture" maybe we should resurrect The Swastika after all it was a symbol of good luck and fortune for billions until Hitler abused it or should we continue to keep it suppressed in the name of political correctness or incorrectness?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swas...6Xw9yaszcL-wKc
I am not to sure my neighbors would be to crazy about me flying one outside on the lawn. LOL
Well I guess somethings are better just left the way they are/were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
LOL If you ensure it's colors aren't red,black and white,your defense would be that before the German National Socialists used it as a party logo,it was called a "fylfot" which was a symbol of integrity,honor and good fortune that can be found in anvcient Greek and Roman literature..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
That is the failed argument of neo-Nazis who wanted to parade around under the swastika. Didn't work then and doesn't work now.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
I have a matched set of golf club irons,with swastikas on them. Made in the 30’s in St. Andrews Scotland. They caused quite a stir on a golf historians site , that I am a member of. For various reasons.
Good observation from Rex Murphy...
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...lliberal-dogmaQuote:
The woke of our day are Cromwellian, or if you prefer Leninist, in their furious certitudes; they wish to condemn, and seek to ostracize from historical memory the very people who brought our magnificent liberties to life. Those before us were never perfect. But it would be prudent to be hesitant about proclaiming that they were less than we are; that they were not as good, or as intelligent or, to use the word par excellence of the moment, that they were not as “sensitive.”
How many people in this day and age can honestly say that, if they were living in earlier times, they would not act and think as people acted and thought back then? These current obsessions are, to say the least, undignified.
The current purge of the unenlightened — via progressive censorship, internet blocking, dismissal from corporations or universities, ostracism — are unworthy of the inheritance of freedom and democracy the countries of the West have received through the blood, sweat and tears of those who came before us.
I suspect to one degree or another, people are rationalizing this, based on their own ages ( adult) and being capable of determining what is acceptable and what isn’t. And what children see and absorb.
The difference between “Baby its cold outside” or Archie Bunker and diagrams of oral/anal for grade schoolers. Hard to argue being against that, but uptight about this.
whether it’s “this”, or “rape culture” and teen boys. Or racism.
“Apples don’t fall far”
Well don't let facts stand in the way of ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Another good opinion...
https://theconversation.com/cat-in-a...culture-156378Quote:
Nevertheless, pervasive racial imagery and subservient typecasting remain. That doesn’t mean Dr Seuss books should — or can — be scrapped altogether. Instead, these books present an opportunity to build awareness and teach young readers about history and context.
Dr Seuss’s work contains racism and xenophobia, but should we judge him by today’s standards?
Children’s literature has always been subject to socio-historical shifts. It is a product of its time and the context in which it is created. Viewed through the changing lens of history, childhood itself is an unstable concept.
In other words, it is impossible to separate children’s literature from the ideological structure of our world, and from the particular historical moment in which it is produced.
While Dr Seuss’s best-loved characters — the Cat in the Hat, Horton the elephant, the Grinch — have earned their place in the canon, what we should be concerned about is the question of diversity in children’s literature.
That's the point I was trying to make. Thanks. I read The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn When I was 10 or 11years old it taught me what racism is and was like in the old days on the banks of the Mississippi.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
That is what some here aren't seeing...when our children are being read a book in class and something comes up that needs the context to be explained by teacher it should be embraced as a teaching point. Children aren't naturally 'racist' so they need to be taught why it's wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
Removing their exposure to it, is not the right way to teach them.
If you don't teach them...they'll end up in Diversity Training as adults :)
Exactly! What lessons have been learned if it wasn't for making mistakes? Just who is this on this cancel culture committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
https://www.facebook.com/TheDrOfComm...79503609645525
A big part of the left's problem is their inability to understand context and this thread is full of it.
There is saying, "He was a good man in his time". It's all about context. If we look at these things in the context of their time there isn't an issue, it's history, and a learning moment. To erase these things is to erase the opportunity to learn from it. Just because someone owned slaves in their time does not mean they need to be erased from history.
Some of you talk like these books are still on the shelves in elementary schools. Show me this and I will be as outraged as you. If not, your outrage is misplaced and it's just virtue signaling douchebaggery.
The intent of Dr. Seuss books is not to as an aid to teach children about racism but to help them learn to read. There are other books, including some of Dr. Seuss', that still can be used for this purpose. There are books better suited to explain the concepts of racism and bigotry to young children than the now withdrawn Dr. Seuss books.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The intellectuals on this matter disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Sure Dr. Seuss books could be used to teach kids about racism but that is not their intent and there are better choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Political correctness is doing a great job of suggesting racism to kids already. No need for Dr Seuss to get involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Meanwhile Coke is training their employees, "to be less white".
Racist?...
Would it be racist if they trained their employees "to be less black"?...
Hypocrites, I say
Fight racism with ... racism. I hope one day we will be able to look back at this and say Morgan Freeman was right...Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Who starts this garbage and why are they given credibility while remaining anonymous? Why can they remain silent while making spitballs and getting their sychophants to lob them at will? This "anonymity" bullshyte needs to be stopped.