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1 " free" does not actually mean free.
2 You are not entitled to someone else's hard earned money ... ever.
3 You can not tax a nation into prosperity.
4 The rich are not responsible for your financial situation you are.
5 Socialism leads to communism always.
Tigboy-not challenging, just adding to Your remarks.
#5 , that is actually a wishful thinking. By socialist .A goal which can never be achieved(yet people and countries can/will be destroyed trying............)
Socialism is a transition time from Capitalism to Capitalism-:ashamed: so we said back home;)(believe me ,we had more experience with them ,then anyone was ever bargaining for :rolleye:)
Mice die in mouse traps because they don't understand why the cheese is free.
The same thing happens with socialism.
You know that there are come very good parts of Socialism but only Socialism is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
If you don't like socialism then you need to give back any education certificates you have, that was paid for by tax payers dollars, and yes, a good chunk of college and university tuition too. Give back your inoculations and other medical care, that was paid for by everyone. Oh, and stay off the roads, that was paid for by everyone as well. Include the sewage system, hydro lines, etc.
Socialism is necessary tor prosperity but there needs to be checks and balances to everything. Socialism that encourages a sedentary lifestyle where people leech off the system is going too far, this is where we are headed but look into your definition of Socialism, you have it wrong.
No I don't have it wrong fox I disagree with your statement. I believe this great country is going down a very slippery slope very fast and sooner rather than later we just may reach the point of no return but hey you do you and believe what you want to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Fox-socialisam has nothing to do with what You stated .Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Before 1919 there was zero socialist countries.Zero socialist governments.Everyone was capitalist one way or another.Only the political system was different(kingdom,republic,empire You name it).
Most of the things you chalk up to socialisms were in place ,alive and well................
My granddad lived in a kingdom-my dad lived in kingdom(different one).Later in his adult life he lived in a socialist country(neither by choice).Both kingdoms had education at the level of times,they both had basic health care,and the Toll roads were a hearsay-everyone could travel on any road freely.
The only difference between what i saw/heard or experienced is the differnece between socialisam/capitalism is the level of available health care and the level of education.
Both are mostly made available nowadays with the taxation. Worldwide.
Lower taxes-lesser free (or available)level. More taxes-more free(or widely available) level.
Or more free level should be-but many times is not.That depends on Governement at hand.......
Believe me-learning about the world and history from education system and Internet will give You what they want to give you.
Let me add ...
The world owes you nothing. You want it, go earn it!
so·cial·ismQuote:
Originally Posted by gbk
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Right there, the definition as it is in the dictionary.
Social organization owned and regulated by the community as a whole.
Sorry buddy, but SOCIALISM by definition was the bases for our country.
The level or socialism can change but to say we had no socialism before 1919 is an idiotic statement.
No according to younger generations of the self-entitled. They want it all and they want it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Idiotic statements are generally made following misinterpretation of the original statement, as seen in the above quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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Socialist alternative
Socialist action league
Socialist party of Canada
Communist party of Canada
Democratic socialists of Canada
International socialists
New socialists
Socialist project
Fight back
Socialist solidarity
This is the list of major socialist groups in Canada. Too many for my liking. Poor Canada.
You see Fox-You have no clue what You are talking about...once more , again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Which is fine, but calling my reply (which i believe was quiet level headed, and totally non personal-UNLES you read into it )idiotic- is borderline breaking Forum rules!If not breaking it outright......like: name calling.
I hope the Moderators read this post! And perhaps do something about your meaningless rant.
At the other hand my frined-just so You remember-I did NEVER ran to You in a PM,to cry on Your shoulders and get support from You(kind of in a funky way)but You my friend ran to me(even though we never bonded in any thread)...kind of in a way to show how much You are being pushed away on this Forum,and how much what i posted at the time ,was EXACTLY right(because it represented Your opinion!!!)
And stupid me-i gave You moral support.
You see my friend -i reply to You the last time, I think i will NOT waste my time with you anymore, because if i would spend more keyboard strikes on You-That would be IDIOTIC,from ME!
Oh-by the way-You have no clue what You are talking about ,because textbook socialisms(definition or else) is for the gullible, the naïve and for the people ,who believe everything what they read.
I am not the only one, likely there are more then one member ,who spent part of their life in a Socialist country-and they can tell you rows and rows of facts about socialisms.
The real one.
I lived the life ,set by them, for more then 30 years-how much is Your real life experience with them............?
Bye!
Reading through the squabbling and the original post I think it’s important to understand.
1. Not everyone will ever be truly happy or satisfied with any political situation.
2. ALL people are corrupt in some way and to some degree, pure honesty and altruism are only words.
3. How can modern politics even work when political parties are ever changing their values/beliefs and even then, our system is designed in a way for new elections so frequently that no system is given a chance to prove its worth. One will usually reverse course on the previous and vice versa.
4. Not one system is right or wrong, just different
The Mosquito's addendumQuote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
1) " free" does not actually mean free. A1) to those getting the "free" they are expected to blindly support those in power even to the deprevation of their neighbours and eventually themselves.
2 You are not entitled to someone else's hard earned money ... ever. A2) Those supporting the Socialist political group obtaining the power are entitled to be paid for their oppression and tyranny and those that actually work, innovate and think will be deprived of their funds.
3 You can not tax a nation into prosperity. A3) Socialist don't care, their plans are for the enrichment of themselves and those supporting the power structure they want.
4 The rich are not responsible for your financial situation you are. A4) Responsibility and integrity are the enemies of socialism, if you can make someone hate their neighbour, boss and educators you can make them do anything you want.
5 Socialism leads to communism always. A5) Socialism is the gateway to the creation of a political system where all authority is in the hands of the few and the oppression of free speech etc. It may stagnate or take the next step into the deprivations of the Communist system
To sum it all up, Socialism is the taking from the workers, innovators and thinkers to give to the political leaders and their supporters and opposition is oppressed.
You know looking at our gov't and the direction it is like:
telling talking points over and over until they are believed (facts be damned) is the most important - McKenna,
political agenda and telling us their "truth" (in contrast to facts) is more important than real truth - Bill Blair, Justlied Trudeau, McKenna
ethics violations and corruption don't matter if it is in Quebec or fits the political agenda - Gerald Butts,Blair, Trudeau, Morneau
Respect and integrity and diversity only matter if it fits their agenda - Freeland, Butts,Blair, Justlied Trudeau, Morneau etc. etc.
SInce our politicians are using the book 1984 as a model for the future, maybe we should see what someone that was in power in 1984 in the real world said... Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - TRUE!... but with making the deficits bigger and bigger in their minds they never run out... and when do people start to care about real truth!
Fox you are confusing Socially beneficial projects with socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
A socially beneficial project is when a few people in the tribe decide to made a cysteine to hold water from rain fall, so that everyone in the tribe can have water.
Socialism is when a few people decide that the tribe has to give all the water to them to control.
meatloaf....😁Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Capitalism, is when a few people decide that the tribe will have to pay them for the water, owned by all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Actually iot would be more like someone offers to fully maintain the system and in return you need to pay them. Unless you think they should work for free.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Thanks for the laugh...😁Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
You have that a little messed up..
CAPITALISM is when a few people find out the tribe will pay them to bring water from the river for them. So they haul water, then some in the tribe trades food or clothes or tools for the water.
Then the Capitalists find out they can make money to build a well and then make money creating a bucket and rope and pulley setup, then to build pumps, windmills etc, then pipes, then eventually we have indoor plumbing, septic plants etc. While socialism sees someone paying to have a pump built and expects the buyer to pay for one for them and their neighbours too... once the buyer runs out of money he is blamed for not providing everyone the same indoor plumbing etc. as the next village etc. So you end up with an impoverished village, no motivation to improve and those that want to and can moving to the village where there are opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Or as a group you pool your resources, build a storage faculty that all can use, for free. No buyers or sellers needed.
Yep, with those in power and their friends allocate out who gets the water, they make sure they are getting the clean water and told to blindly obey the ones with the power and if you want to build a well or pump or windmill you are denied water and driven from the village... that's socialismQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Nice ideas,but humankind is just not built for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Example:
Robert Owen -New Harmony,Indiana.
And if some don't feel like helping????
So teachers should teach for free. Awesome idea.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
He should give back all the money from his pay checks, because getting paid a fair wage for work is Capitalism. He can see how much he is opposed to a Capitalist systemQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
As a retired person I have to ask , is my pension capitalism or socialism?
If it is paid for by anything other than member contributions it is at least partially socialist. CPP falls into that category as for every $1 contributed by workers $1.40 is contributed by employers. For example as an employer when i deduct $100 in CPP from an employee i actually remit $240 to the feds as CPP. The extra $140 comes out of my (i own the company) pocket. So as much as people think they have paid for their CPP in actuality over 58% of CPP funding comes off the bottom line of employers.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
EI is similar except the ratio is 1:1 so in that case 50% paid for by employees and 50% paid for by the employers.
So my answer would be your federal pension is a socialist program that is paid for by capitalists.
The perfect answer, well done !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
We all know we can't have 100% capitalism ... it drives the wrong behavior.
We also all know we can't have 100% socialism ... that drives even worse behavior!
There needs to be incentive to earn, to progress, to do better, and to improve ones lifestyle.
But there needs to be a community when someone legitimately needs the help (sick, treated unfairly, etc).
The only question in my head is what is the correct balance? For sure it isn't spend way too much money on the socialism
stuff until we go broke. We have to do what we can ... and that in itself means, we have to treat ANY money we have
as a precious commodity ... not like toilet paper, which is burned by government to serve their own selfish interests.
Great post MB. It goes for all governments. Always.
We are all in this together and we all support each other in contributions and taxes from everything for health to CPP. This Covid will be giving all of us a haircut.A few days ago I renewed a one year GIC last term 2.30% interest,this term 0.80%.
The pension funds are also taking beating.
http://pensionpulse.blogspot.com/202...g-trouble.html
Since when do FN pay into taxes and healthcare or cpp. We are not in this all together, who are you trying to fool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
There's givers and theres takers in Canada
My investments YTD 12%
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yeah that's true, forgot about that, FN does not pay taxes towards health care they should have to pay out of pocket then, they do not pay into CPP but I am unsure if they can collect it either.
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
I guess you must be holding up the whole economy with your contributions,your just like me a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Good for you GW, just be careful you don't get a haircut.I am pretty sure you don't have that in a one year GIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Investments during COVID.......Amazon - $2,400/share in and sold for $3,300/share in 6 months. Worst thing about this is the capital gains tax to pay for Justin's screw ups