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This entire OOD forum appears to be disintegrating? As of this post, there has been only 2 others since last night at 11:51 pm, and it's not really hard to figure out why. It's turned into a political bash site and woe the posters who dare to discuss anything related to outdoors? Sad really!
#FordNation!
#FordNation
#SaveOntario
then
#ScheerNation
#NoLibs2019
As much as you would like to ignore it we have in Canada right now probably 3 of the worst governments in Canadian history for their waste, programs and spending. Those 3 with their policies affect ALL parts of life in Canada and in the soonest election Ontario. The interest payments increase since the Libs in Ontario have been in power is in the billions more and that either loads up the future to pay for it or reduces the current spending on things like the environment, transportation and real pollution. Their views and policies affect jobs, whether other countries will invest in Canada (oil industry is currently leaving and even Canadian companies are investing in other countries, to the detriment of jobs and opportunities in Canada. Their policies can change firearm ownership, land usage (restricting hunting or fishing on public lands....), land ownership (think huge land claims), the amount of money in your pocket (recent article 91% are paying more taxes under Libs) ....... who is in power affects everything on this board to some degree.... even the photography, if they turn over park land to land claims there may be no more access to the public in some location, parks with restricted hours or closed certain dates to save money etc. Wind turbines for example kill tens of thousands of birds and bats with affect the pest populations ( including the mosquito... :-) ) and in so doing crops, the spread of diseases (west nile...) and I can go on but it should be clear when a topic is affected by politics then it will likely come up.
Just because everything is affected by politics, does not mean you cannot have a conversation without bringing it up. You just don't want to.
This is the off topic section. Plenty of other activity specific sections to use if they serve you better.
Politics is brought into every thread, by some people.
I am well aware that this is the "off topic" section. My point was, and I think many will agree, this site as a whole, has degenerated into something entirely different than what the original intent was?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Are you saying all sections or just the off topic one?
Correct. And to prove your point even your thread was contaminated with politics right from the very first reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
It seems like many people here don't want to use Facebook but it's really the best place to be part of what ever hobby you are in. Lots of information, discussions, videos, pictures and all about every subjects on hearth. There is multiple pages for everything you can be interested in (Canadian reloading, long range shooting, bear hunting, sap boiling and all). Just like this forum you got to know the users and it becomes a less "Stranger" community. A hole get banned very quickly too....
I have to agree with you there, a good example, two threads that were originally in the Fire Arms and Ammo section, very quickly evolved into a political discussion, instead of the perpetrators being warned to keep politics out of the topic, the thread was removed and put into the Off Topic section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
This happens too many times , threads get derailed by certain individuals and arguments about politics start needlessly.
Makes me wonder if these certain individuals do this purposely just to get their thread count up?
[QUOTE=jaycee;1057557]...or maybe they're natural born miscreants that just like to stir things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Anything related to laws or censorship in the firearms section should just be posted in the politics section.
I was hoping for some thoughtful responses, but instead, the first two, from who are otherwise intelligent posters, decide to act like shmucks? Go figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Terry, did you read my post? I said "This entire OOD forum"?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
I agree with you Bushmoose. I miss Cal Tek. Seems there is no administrator involved now, so why should the 2 mods care.
I'm not claiming innocence, I've antagonized a few and threw a few jabs back n forth over the last few years. It's not hard for a person to get caught up in the nonsense that goes on? But it seems like this site is almost dead these days? It's the same old, same old..... We used to see people posting pics of their boats? Their ATV's? Discussing their camping/fishing trips? Looking for gadget ideas and sharing stories? There were fellas asking for "how to" ideas on a variety of subjects? Not anymore it seems? I wish the lawyers n politician wannabe's would just give it a rest? Put your efforts to actually doing something constructive on your parties behalf, instead of belly aching on here repeatedly? You know who you are, so beat it for a while? let this site have a chance to come back to what it is intended for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Point taken here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I just didn't think he was looking far enough in the future. :-)
Anyway, as much as I would like to load a shuttle up and send alot of the politicians (all 3 parties...Greens so far as I have seen it all not some) off on the next Mars mission it isn't reality. Even in the thread I started to find out if someone was doing something more than bang-bang and repeat with the 7.62x39 and that then continued on to picking some brains about reloading (an interest I have no time for and no place to test), when I mentioned that the gov't was talking about reducing or eliminating lead in ammunition (as well as fishing gear) someone made a comment about Climate Barbie. I concurred and asked more and the last post in tha thread (until I have more time and another question comes up) was someone that was a troll (only contribution to the thread was to say he was voting for Wynne...).
There are alot of strong emotions, with just reasons,
the current media seems to have
- no issue with partial and "relaitive" facts,
- then there are US paid groups attacking our industries, helping the Liberal's with outright lies (post a link to the facts and you are blocked from posting) and funded by Tides and other organizations from the US,
- politicians that won't answer questions, up taxes and seem to be trying to sabotage Canada......
- open discrimination, for example refusing funding to those that don't agree murdering the unborn child is OK.
Tactics, equipment, gear (think 25 and 32 cal hand guns) ... all can be changed on the whim of a politician, or "experts" at RCMP (Ruger mags) and with the huge funding of political groups with attacks by funded by those like the Tides group ( I watched on BNN today actually where they interviewed a woman researched and that pointed out the Tides and other groups are funded by some of the uber rich to the tune of $8B a year for their agenda). They were talking about how following the money that many Indian groups were getting was anti-pipeline funding and following the money lead to Tides again, Canadian groups ereceived millions that has no accountability on their political spending and they can spend it on political attacks with no accountability to truth (LeadNow spent millions to get Justlied elected) and we can go on and on is what I was trying to say.
Want to use lead split shot ..... maybe not?
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...ng-tackle.html
go target shooting with that Hawken or your .22 ....
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...mmunition.html
go ANYWHERE....
http://business.financialpost.com/op...-see-the-price
the laws created by the politicians invade everything ...if you even need to defend yourself... not in Canada, curl up and cry is all that is allowed.
After Wynne won last time within 3 days one of our biggest customers CIO informed us that he was exiting the province... since then dreams of a better boat, more retirement savings and vacations have been designated as dead.
In the UK they are trying to eliminate kitchen knives and you can't count the lies on the media, web etc. ... people buy the junk out of ignorance or they get piss**.
Even the parties themselves ... for example... Liberal party of Canada... lying....
https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...df&oe=5B693355
...
and from before.
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/
"repeal changes made by Bill C-42 that allow restricted and prohibited weapons to be freely transported without a permit, and we will put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of police, not politicians;"
When ideologues with the power want to get into every part of our lives and change to THEIR standard it will come up again and again.... they view themselves as the "better animals" and we end up with ....
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell
Forgive my rant and ramble but I an too tired to go back and clean it up ...
Summary
politics screws up most thing.
most things are affected by political decisions
vote out ideologues and corrupt ... and hope the new ones can do better.
I was correct on the SHMUCK part! And you're trying to prove a point somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Agreed Bushmoose.
An interesting post in Firearms was completely derailed by a select few posting full page arguments back and forth, and the arguments became less and less relevant as it went on.
One of them appears not to be getting the message. Maybe a character limit on posts would keep it reasonable.
I agree with bush moose. It does seem that any post someone makes gets flack for leaning left or right and it goes off on a tangent from there. Sure the politics in this country and province are a bit out of wack but any section other than the political one should be just for discussion of our hunting and fishing passions. Free of attacks from others due to inexperience or difference of opinion on their preference.
vJust read the summary I added. I looked at it and since I started work at 8AM and finished about half an hour ago it is a ramble so I wrote the summary. Good night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
The tangents are often ridiculous agreed...and I would like to just know how political decisions like lead bans on ammo or fishing gear, changes to laws regarding classes of firearms,magazines and access etc. will not affect the fishing and hunting rights, access, equipment and techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by crtech22
As a moderator of another forum I would suggest that if you see a post which is breaking the rules to use the "Report Post" button. With there only being two mods left here, they obviously cant read everything, so reporting the bad posts will make it easier for them to remove them.
The report post button is under the avatar of each post, the little "flag" icon.
In my experience the report post button used very lightly. Use it, thats what its for.
Exactly, I always act on reported problems. :) I try not to edit anyones post. I will delete it or move it and award infraction points where appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
I joined this outdoors forum years ago. There was not a day that I did not look forward jumping onto this site and interacting with others who had the same interest that I have. As a hunter education instructor for the past several years I’ve always suggested to my students this forum is a great resource where you can learn from outdoors enthusiasts who offer their stories and experience. Throughout the past few years I have received feedback and feedforward that a lot of the people that I recommended to this forum refuse to go on it or the ones that do will not reply to questions, start threads & offer their opinion. Feedback I have received its because of certain few individuals who take it upon themselves to belittle others commentary. What I have heard Its more about the way these few members provide their "angle" kind of like an ego trip for themselves....Just saying I've heard this from a lot of people.
I think this is a great forum and I will continue to be part of it. There is nothing better when the work day is going slow and you need a jump start and you log-on to this forum there is always a great read that gets you through the day with threads about the field or water. I really enjoy members sharing their experience about our great outdoors in this country. I will continue to offer this forum as a resource in my classes to students who are up-and-coming into the outdoors as I still believe 95% of members are on it for the same reason it was created for.
My grandfather who was in world war one told me before he passed away in the late 70s there are two topics to be wary of in life; politics & religion. Mankind and history has not changed in the last 2500 years with these two topics so if you choose to bring these two topics up be prepared that many opinions, thoughts & egos will be provided. I truly believe this forum is meant for the outdoors people but we’ll always have politics, daily news and religions come up at some sort of thread. Its inevitable!!
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Outdoorsman, Like yourself I joined this Forum 10 years ago and at the age of 65 now have tried to pass down some of my experiences fishing and camping, and not afraid to ask for advise either, and like you have certainly told a lot of people about this forum, Lets Take the fishing section as an example, being a new member you could hit the search button for lets say best rod and reel to use for walleye fishing, well I think you would have the better part of a days reading ahead of you and come away with a pretty good idea of what you needed without having to ask 1 question. I wonder if this is what's happening to the forum as well, people getting the info they need without any input. just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Outdoorsman
Count me as one of those who used to frequent the forums...now I visit every other month.
Exactly why I don't visit the forum anymore Pal.
Well I'll tell you what is happening - it is called political correctness - people have knowingly or unknowingly bought into its agenda - for some reason people are very thin skinned these days and feel that they can go through life without being offended - this has spilled over into a lot of forums - and in certain places it has gone crazy - as a result people can't refer to a male or female in standard terms - everything has to be gender neutral - and O boy if you said something that someone else doesn't like they have a ---- hemorrhage - we need to go back to the old days where if you got something to say - say it - and if someone doesn't like what you said - tough darts - they can always reply in kind - we have become a society of wimps - for those who are bent over when offended I would suggest another forum - one that caters to old ladies who talk about sewing and cooking - men need a man's type forum where you can speak your peace -
Personally I don't get offended no matter what some __ hole says -
Joe, maybe you missed it but we have lots of Ladies on this forum who are great contributors.
Oops - I probably offended them - I'm sure they know the point I was trying to make -
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I did, but also wanted to make sure they don't get offended and leave the forum.
ahh forget it...
There's always an "ebb and flow" to outdoor forums. I doubt this is any different. There's an "ignore" feature to use with vexatious posters and trolls. Eliminating miscreants that deliberately cause trouble is very gratifying.
It's the interweb :silly:
Thank you Big Mac , but not to worry. I've been on here since the forum started and ain't going no where. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG MAC
How's the new knee working out ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Nice of you to ask. It has been about 9 weeks and still hard to walk and pain. Sleeping is hard. Still going to physio. I am able to get out with the dogs with 2 walking sticks. They say it takes a year for a full recovery. :(
....Or I.... Glad you a getting better Sharon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I did quite well after about 3 1/2 months, used my crutches for only one week then used a cane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I watched on the national news last week, in Toronto a doctor did a knee replacement on a patient, new developement in surgery, in and out of the hospital in 6 hours and walking with crutches.
The patient was interviewed and claimed he felt well with just a little pain.
Think I will have to look into this as I will have to have my other one done soon.
Sharon and I are old friends from way back (I think) - she knows what I was trying to get at - being an old timer I am used to certain phrases to get a point across - speaking of getting old - yesterday I broke down and bought hearing aids - they cost over $6000 - was getting to a point where I had a hard time listening what was being said on the TV - didn't hear the spring Peepers down at the pond or birds singing anymore - I hope I didn't make a mistake - without them things were nice an quiet but I was missing a lot - got the best they offered but boy didn't think that they would be that expensive - I'll have to make sure that I don't lose them - I'll tell you something - it ain;t any fun getting old - you start falling apart -
Definitely :) but I may tell you off some day. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa;1058175[B
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Originally Posted by jaycee
Seems to be different for everyone. age seems to matter. Here's a statement from a friend of mine:
"I was told full recovery takes about a year. Been two for me as of last Sept. Can't get off the ground without something to hold on to, going up stairs has got a lot better but worry about falling so always use the hand rails. Getting up from a chair without something to hold on to is a chore! I have to say the knee is about 200% better bet I doubt it'll ever be 100% again. Haven't tried getting on a horse in a long time, no way could I pick myself up with that leg. Would I do it again? Don't think so at this age. I'd got pretty used to walking to keep that knee from hurting and after the replacement I had to start all over. I was up on that knee and walked just a bit with a walker the same day. Used a walker at home for awhile them went to a cane after a month or so. My knee had been eaten away with arthritis and the other is working on it! " quote
I think we are off topic. :)
I used to pretty much "live" on these forums on a daily basis.
Before the current community we had the old one and I was there too since the very beginning!
I probably posted on every section and, met, fished or hunted with, many fantastic people whom I call friends to this day.
A while ago however, I noticed that a lot of attacking is taking place on all the posts and no matter who says what, hostile words follow!
Many of the people I enjoyed interacting with, left the forums for good. Some were former moderators themselves.
So, I was turned off and started just reading and not saying much anymore...
This right here, is one of my occasional returns and look what I find right away! It is a sad (but true) topic.
IWent south for the month of Feb and when I got back the site had gone south. I can only get in using this tablet thing and I havent the patience to pound away what seems akin to picking fly chit out of pepper with boxing gloves. I cant even get a reply from admin to resolve the problem. Even a spanky new computer has not helped.
Soooo, for now I lurk on the few theads that let me.
Don't leave me here all alone buddy! Admin will respond sooner or later I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Download an app called Tapatalk that makes forums user friendly on mobile devices and tablets. Also makes uploading pics easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...lkpro.activity
Gee I don't know - I guess I look at things a little different - to me it seems as soon as a thread gets interesting it is shut down - still too many are too thin skinned and let everything bother them - after all a little fighting with words is good for the soul - you have to have a little sense of humor and things won't sound as bad - as long as there isn't any cursing I say let it fly
You VERY rarely see a thread shut down here.
Gee, get that problem fixed Sawbill; we need you!
Right on Sharon! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I personally don't think any post should be shut down as long as there isn't any bad language - people need to get a sense of humor - a lot of times I post things that some people don't like or agree with but a lot of times I'm just adding a little humor to the post - too bad it is missed - take one of my latest posts - entitled - why I carry - during the course of the discussion some guys took a shot at me being too old to handle a heavy caliber gun - I shot back a couple rounds mixed in with some humor - I thought it was an interesting conversation but bang - the thread disappeared - I think for no reason - heck I took no offense to what the guys said and I'm sure they didn't either - at least I don't think so - well anyway - back to yard work - things are all quiet on the southern front - no vans plowing into people -
A pathetic cheap shot, Joe. You should be ashamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
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Originally Posted by manyo
See what I mean - ashamed - who me? - of what?
Joe there is nothing humorous about your posts regarding what hand guns you would choose to shoot people or the reason you choose to carry hand guns or for that matter your post in this sad event of Toronto. I receive many complaints about your posts and wonder why you choose to pound your American views on an Ontario Out of Doors forum. You may have a fan or two here, but I think the majority are getting tired of your participation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
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Originally Posted by TroutSlayer
Very succinctly stated! Thank You!
He's banned from this thread. Further action will be coming I'm sure.
That statement shows a very "sick sense of so called humour "Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
How would you feel if it was some of your family that was killed?
Joe you are sick , sick , sick! an absolutely disgusting, revolting type of person.