Well cancel my trips.... I just opened my hydro bill $514.!!!! 2 years ago it was $186 More than double, nothing has changed. Anyone else have this shock????
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Well cancel my trips.... I just opened my hydro bill $514.!!!! 2 years ago it was $186 More than double, nothing has changed. Anyone else have this shock????
first thing to reference your hydro bill to is KWH used per day......everything on the bill is determined by that..
1 kw/h difference up and down, wow!!!!
Revenue tools. Just pay the bill and dont be homophobic. Are u surprised? Did u read the auditor generals report stating that we overpaid by 37 BILLION for our hydro consumption last year alone. Our prices have/ will go up another 40% this year. So unless like Big Mac hinted at you have used copious amounts of hydro over the last billing period or something is wrong with your dumb meter we will all have to get used to this rape and pillage scheme.
Heavy sarcasm in the above statement but lots of truth as well, .
Just wait until they sell of 40 % . Things will likely get better... BARF
Not sure how outrageous that is.
rates have been skyrocketing, as well on Jan 1st they stopped the 10% rebate. So if you average was 400. Well add another 40.
heres the kicker. While I'm not sure what mine was 2 yrs ago. I could likely check old bills, but it was probably between 350-400.
I know I've reduced my useage quite a bit.
my bills last week was 640.00
be glad you don't have a daughter who runs everything non stop, and does a ton of Laundary.
"Good job" you know who.
Can an only imagine what it's like for single moms, who don't earn a lot, can't save a dime, have to spend less and less (yeah that's good for the economy) and for whom reitement is a pipe dream. They've gutted the "middle class" and less fortunate.
Just wait until you have to cough up 1.8% of your salary to fund the "wink wink" Ontario Pension plan. It will be nothing but a slush fund used to balance books in election years. Then you can expect the coming carbon taxes to finish you off if you"re still breathing. Again that will trigger trickle down inflation and further erode you capacity to pay for that outragous Hydro bill. Will the tax have any effect on emmissions? No, absolutely not.
You want to see a firestorm Terry, that might finally see them kicked to the curb?
remove the ORPP "qualifications" ( love the way they say those who qualify like its a good thing) such that "everyone" has to kiss 2% goodbye on top of everything the peons are getting hit by. Fair is fair right?
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For months now I've been half tempted to add up all the various taxes, fee increases (liscence plates are up 70% in the past 3-4 years).
Then tally how much the typical Ontarian who earns above the mean, but less than the 10-15% ers. Aka someone who earns around 60,000. Now imagine that someone being a single parent. Whether it's a dad squeezing by after child cost. A mom with a dead beat dad,(50% of people get divorced) or simply the normal working stiff.
Hydro alone is likely taking an additional $1,000 to $1,500 per year from the average since say 2012. ORPP with take about $1,200 more if you earn 60k. 2,500-3,000 in disposable income, from people who already can't save.
and certain people wonder why the "public" has no sympathy or animosity.
Phoenix: any leaking toilets/taps ? That put our bill away up.. the water part of the bill.
Friend of mine just bought a farm. He paid $20K to have hydro connected. He has not yet moved into the house. His first month bill was $312. Though he used just 30 kwh (typical usage for one day in a residential home) in a 30 day period the delivery charges still applied to the tune of $142 plus other taxes, fees.
$140 hydro bill, we go all out about using as minimal as possible, but we only have $50 in hydro charges, the rest is delivery, fees and taxes, wow.
Guess I can't complain, mine never gets above $100 a month, no kids.
I am looking for a 10kv diesel generator. With $0.90 / litre diesel, I can produce power cheaper than I can buy it from the liberals.
I am considering the same approach but fortunately I have natural gas so that is my go to option.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
For the people thinking of going this route and have electric appliances ''dryer, stove etc. I would run the generator while those heavy usage appliances are running, you might want to check out the TSC stores line of Generators, they come with the auto transfer switches,,,,,,,,,,,,talked to one of the Dealers for Generac and he said he can buy them cheaper there than he can from the Maufactuer.
Hate to say this but this will be the way of the future and years down the road you"ll see them popping up in your neighborhood...
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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
I'd love to see some numbers on the payback period going this route. By my math, based on an 12kw generac propane unit consuming 8 lites/hr, it just doesn't make sense. (propane @ $0.45-0.50/litre around here)Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
This is the problem, it does not make sense, it is still cheaper to stay with Hydro, even with the price going up. If you consider the cost of a generac, the installation, the certifications to keep your insurance valid you are probably in at almost $10K, lets drop that down $8K to be cheap on the install of a massive 220V line from your generator to your panel. Without even considering the cost of fuel you are looking at almost 2 years to pay it off if you disconnect from the grid, if you stay connected to the grid. If you stay connected to the grid you will be paying for that line no matter what, even if you have no usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
That's what i'm thinking too. My average hydro bill lately (which has doubled over the past few years), is $120/month. That's 5 1/2 years to pay for an $8000 generator/automatic transfer switch/wiring/installation, without ANY fuel cost. However, a 12kw unit running at half load (8 litres/hour), would consume $120 of propane in 30 hrs. (30hrs x 8L/hr x $0.50/litre = $120). That's 7hrs of power generation per week. The wife will not be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Still say this...
Off the grid ideal for me
100+ Acres of woodlot, with couple to “farm” (grow vegies)
<1200 sq foot house (Ranch)
Wood/Water heat
8-10K solar power not grid connected (ground mount adjustable to solar gain)
- 3000W pure inverter
- MPPT controller
- All room disconnect able by switch
Propane stove, Propane dryer (when needed), propane hot water. Back up propane furnace.
Biggest propane tank you can get and pay delivery to you or twice a year…for what you actually use….
All LED lighting
10K diesel generator in out building which double as “barn/storage”. Used only during high draw needs (family/parties) and monthly battery equalization for battery pack.
South situated home, with a stream if possible, swamp land or duck pond.
Land located in township that is not incorporated or little tax base.
The perfect idea if you are designed around off the grid and not looking to sell at any point, without a hydro hookup selling your house will be almost impossible, you will need to find that exact right person.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Our plan at the moment is to setup a 15A line to our "farm" section of the property and only use it when needed while using solar for an electric fence and potentially wind power for extra storage/possible secondary well.
Line052 and if that stream has some flow and drop you stick in a micro generator.
When I started in the hydro bussiness it was a government service that worked on a break even principal with all people able to "live better electrically". Starting next year we will be subsidizing the natural gas customers so they can have energy audits which result in grants so they increase insulation, replace furnaces etc....
Our bill for two country houses on the same meter, 4-5 people total has been running $500/winter month for the past two years. Our electric water heaters are preheated by the furnaces and locked off during peak billing hours.
The buy in costs many times make converting not $$ feasible. I have a buddy who is running a diesel pickup because of better mileage. He doesn't really tow or work it hard at all. He flips the vehicle every 3 years and never actually saves a dime on fuel/gas costs when you factor in the extra cost of the diesel option. Right now fuel is relatively cheap but can you guarantee that will always be the case? if it rises your break point in savings will be uncontrollable or predictable. Yhen again once this government sells off Hydro we will have no say or control on that either.
The key is to multi-source systems.
If you heat with gas primarily but then have a wood system in your house and electric space heaters you can heat with whatever is cheaper. You can do the same with your cooking, run your propane BBQ when you want to eat before 7pm and use toaster ovens when cooking for a small group, cook more than you need and utilize cool foods for lunches. You can always dry with a clothes line, even in the winter time (winter is actually better as the humidity is so low).
There are tons of methods, we have 30 bags of wood pellets in the basement at the moment but with propane at 60 cents a liter it makes more sense to burn that and safe the wood pellet for if and when there is a propane shortage.
Lots of options to use cheaper fuels but life can be more complicated doing so.
And to think of the mild winter we've had!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phoenix
Using the online tools that hydro has, I can see that we are one of the lowest consumers in our neighbourhood. Some are using twice the amount that we are. Couple that with the time of use and it can get expensive.
Does your utility have similar tools where you can graph and compare utility use?
Our utility company will not let us see our neighbour's bill because of "privacy issues". We just have to take their word that the average household pays under $100 and we are using more than we have to.
I did some work for Hamilton PUC back in the eighties on the Art Gallery heating system. They could switch back and forth between energy sources on a daily basis, depending on which was cheaper. At the time hydro was often cheapest.
sitting in the dark. using the fireplace. one bulb at a time. :/ I see communist times ahead; and I mean the poor ones.
My annual hydro costs $ 3800 . Natural gas is not available, so to heat the place it's either propane, oil or electricity. 2 years ago I replaced an electric forced air furnace with a new Mitsubishi Zuba heat pump and new air handler with 10 KW heat strips that engage 5 KW at a time if the heat pump can't keep up. Last winter the back up heat was only used for 2 days.
my neighbors heat with propane, his propane and hydro bills added up to $ 4100 last year
i have only heard of headaches from people heating with oil. ( insurance issues, tank replacements, swinging prices)
i agree that if you are able to consume low amounts of hydro monthly generating your own electricity is not ecomical.
but in my situation, It's getting very close to be cheaper to disconnect from the grid.
its slightly infuriating to read in the news that liberals are going to spend over 100 million to help natural gas consumers reduce their heating bills. I would rather see infrastructure spending / grant money to enbridge and union gas to expand their distribution systems to more rural areas.