If you intend on going to church you better be packing - never know what might happen - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18...-at-sc-church/
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If you intend on going to church you better be packing - never know what might happen - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18...-at-sc-church/
There seems to be nutbars everywhere,anymore.
You have a pervasive tenancy to post about "Mass Shootings" often with the implication that a freedom to carry a firearm in defence would have helped.
I have to say that you are wrong.
Freedom to carry a concealed weapon for defence is not the solution to these insane shooting sprees that plague your country.
The desire to carry a weapon for self defence sounds clear and logical. Why not have the mechanism to defend yourself?
BUT....
Why is there a need to carry weapons.
If you subscribe to an absolute zero tolerance to needing personal defence, EVER--- Like even a 1-in-a-billion chance you would ever need it, then we have nothing further to discuss. If that were the case, everyone in the world would carry a hand gun--- and I'm guessing that would be a nightmarish existence.
JoePa, you live in a severely diseased society.
Settled by Slave Owners and Witch Burners. But already occupied by Aboriginals.
The Bizarrely written and sometime altered Second Amendment.
Savaged by a Civil War which "freed" many and yet those folks represent your majority of crime 150+ years after "Freedom".
Murder and violent crime in America are higher than most of the countries you call "enemies".
Media reporting the latest mass shooting just gives more motivation to the next nutbar with a dysfunctional family to do the same.
Popular media- TV, Movies, video games just perpetuate the culture of violence.
You live in an ultra-violent society.
Your need for protection with personal/concealed firearms is not a solution.
It is a symptom of your diseased society.
I hate sounding like a liberal but, the "Arm Everyone" idea will only drag the most intellectual/free/advanced/prosperous society the world has ever know into a dangerous place. One where freedom is an illusion and murder is a daily personal occurrence.
I'm sure grateful to live here... I often walk on the way home from work through a school yard with young kids playing, maybe grade one or two, something like that. No locked gates in the yard, no metal detectors, no one looks at me like a pedo. I visited relatives in California in the early 90's and in a good area, Santa Barbara, not downtown L.A., and even back then there were metal detectors and lock downs in the school yard...
I'm also in Toronto, a big city, what some might consider dangerous but really isn't. America is one messed up place, for a whole host of reasons, and definately at a cross roads. Hopefully it gets sorted out, but it won't be easy...
Perhaps not that dangerous when considering violent crime but terribly dangerous when considering what it does to your brain. Did you not know that most of Toronto votes liberal?Quote:
Originally Posted by intothedeep
Best answer I have heard in a long time !!!! Well said.:goodstuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by johny
Dead on, best answer to an off topic posting, very well thought out and well written.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Shazamm !!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
An answer? All I see is a wide brush critique on JoePa's simplistic solution yet none are offered up in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
WOW!! Anti Americanism much?
Haha, you mean most of ON by numbers if you include the NDP, including the north and most of Canada... Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I know you lads think you're special, and you are in your own way, lol, but that is part of the process of being delusional and out of touch with reality... But as long as you believe it, it must be true:)
It has nothing to do with Anti-American, it was an observation by Johny. Lots of people in the US see major problems with the mindset of the people right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Even the NRA says that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Well at this point in time the people are messed up, something is wrong in their wiring and everyone having a handgun will not solve the problem of someone with this wiring issue.
Why does Johny or anyone else have to have a solution? Joe stated that the problem is easily solved with guns and Johny disagreed and stated that guns would do nothing and may make it worse, no need for him to solve the problem.
They could maybe start by having "a" gun control, things like a gun license and maybe have some restriction because unfortunately not everybody should or can own a gun. I mean they need a license to drive a car but none to use a killing tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wahoo
This particular guy was arrested in April for drug charges and trespassing and last month for his birthday was given a 45 Auto. I read this, not sure how accurate yet, but it seems to me like criminal charges should make you question giving your child a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
I think it is an ideology issue but this will all come out in the wash during a trial.
John Stewart spoke about this as a terrorist activity, not just a shooting.
And I do understand that criminals are not going to apply for a license but it seems like it's way too easy to get a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Yes - I admit that I live in a violent society - just look at the movies, the TV, the video games - almost all are filled with violence - so what do you do - put your head in the sand and pretend that violence doesn't exist - or do you recognize the fact and do something about it - you are watching the downfall of a great nation because our soul has changed - we no longer have the morals and the character that was the norm in years gone by - look at our schools - God was thrown out and replaced with metal detectors and security guards - the kids are taught that they are an accident of nature and will not have to account to a Creator for their actions - the list goes on and the result is what is happening -
The U.S. is not the country that I once knew - I hardly have anything in common with it - It is no longer the country that I loved and respected - the far left liberals have ruined it - who do you blame - I say it is the stupid people who vote politicians into office that give them freebies and there are more and more of these people as time goes on - our debt is 18 trillion dollars and nobody cares - life goes on like there is no end and spending keeps going up - the only solution I see is an awakening and the return to a God fearing society where love, truth, morals, old fashioned family values are again evident - but you and I know this isn't going to happen - so in the meantime I live here and do the best I can - and protect myself with whatever means possible -
Finally look at the people we have in Washington today - scandal after scandal - lies after lies - a bunch of crooks that you can't believe - and yet the people put them in office twice - try to figure that out - look at our foreign policy - you swear that a bunch of school children are running the show - so yes things don't look too good - I was drafted during the Korean war and served there but I'll tell you something if I were a young man today and got a draft notice I wouldn't serve - not after these politicians screwed everything up - so in the meantime - see you on the water -
Just a couple of questions,JoePa. Your Second Amendment to the Constitution is just that..an "amendment",so,why can't it be repealed? There's other amendments that were (although,I can't cite one,right off hand). Why is that one any different? How would the Second Amendment stop your Federal government from introducing a national firearms licensing system the same as ours? Although,some have fallen through the cracks of our system,by and large,it works well. Why is there such stiff political opposition to licensing? Absolute failure of keeping firearms out of the hands of those that should never have access to them seems to be at the root of all these mass shootings. What is the main stopping point?
Jon Stewart responded the best anyone has.
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I know it's not a flavor that most here enjoy the taste of. But, meh, truth is truth.
T21 - It would take 3/4 of the states to make any changes to our Constitution - this is very difficult thing to do especially when your dealing with the gun issue and a government few can trust - one of the reasons the 2nd amendment was put into the Constitution was to provide citizens with a means to resist the government if ever needed - all you have to do is look at countries like Nazi Germany and Communist Russia where the guns were taken away from the citizens and they could do nothing to stop the take over of their countries by a bunch of evil men -
Once you have all guns registered then it only takes a law to confiscate these guns and the people don't have any - sure you may think that is not anything to worry about but remember things can change very quickly when the wrong people take over the government - another thing to remember there have been mass shooting in other countries that have very strict gun laws it doesn't only happen here - then we all know that criminals won't give up their guns - another thing the vast number of mass shooting that have happened occurred in so called gun free zones where the nutcase knows that there will be no one there to resist him -
Look at this latest case - according to the news the nut had a 45 and reloaded it to keep on firing - if someone had a gun in that church the nutcase could have been stopped right away -
The first amendment gives up the right of free speech - the second gives us a means to protect that right -
Then remember we are mostly talking about handguns - rifles and shotguns can be used to kill also so to stop mass shooting you would really have to keep these firearms away from people who shouldn't have them - impossible - there is no way to completely stop such mass shooting by deranged people as you Canadians well know -
Funny how you are now offering advice to JoePa with this screwed up society in the U.S and in earlier threads sided with him . Actually both of you know how bad it is and yet you both stuck your head in the sand until now. What a pair !lolQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
It's funny how Joe says it cant be done to get rid of the second amendment. Prohibition and Slavery were in the constitution, Those are gone. You need to take the money out of politics. You also need to call this what it is, It's terrorism. Right Wing white wack jobs and the states do nothing to stop white people. More people over the last 10 years have been killed by radical white "Christians" that any muslim group. South Carolina is a state that is corrupted by racism, Hell they even have the confederate flag still flying in their state capital. They are so worried about someone in the middle east and sweep away the actual problem in home.
These attacks are racially driven by FOX news and the right.
It's funny that the 2nd amendment is to "stop" any tyrannical government. So when did the people get a Airforce, Navy, Army and nuclear capabilities? Like they even have a chance to fight
Don't think it's the second amendment that is the main problem... It's mental illness IMO, extreme poverty and lack of opportunity to climb up to the middle class, too many drug addicts, both legal/illegal, degraded media culture, crap chemicalsed food and a broken environment with too much pressure on it, beyond massive polluting factory farms, fracking polluting groundwater... It's literally making many people crazy, and sending them off the deep end, like ancient Rome was poisoned by lead pipes, and other problems...
And part of that mental illness is being gun crazy and paranoid, but I don't believe banning everything is the answer either, their are root causes... Anyhow good luck to the yanks, it's in our best interest here... They fall too far and we will have bigger problems here eventually.
All is quiet on the southern front - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9-TV6Ee3U
From the looks of the kid he would have been better off to shoot his barber. No disrespect.
What ever gave you the idea anyone was sticking their heads in the sand? What ever gave you the idea anyone was "siding" with anyone? Where do you see anyone offering advice? What part of "respectful debate " don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
In the States you have the right to be armed unless you have done something to loose that right. In Canada we used to be able to obtain the right after certain scrutiny by the police. Now that right is gone.
No doubt the majority of people in both countries are law abiding folk who would not tolerate wanton violence. That is the Conservative belief. The Liberals feel that most people would just choose force for any problem and cannot be trusted with any weapons...
Canadians never had any such right.
They were extended a privilege.
That's exactly correct. The huge difference between the United States and Canada is that the US has private property rights enshrined in their Constitution where here in Canada,all private property rights in all things are held by The Crown. Citizens are only granted "priviledges" which can instantly disappear at the stroke of the Governor General's pen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
Those were the good old days, in Ontario that privilege [to be able to hunt with a handgun] was granted to us by Kelso Roberts during his tenure as Attorney General as he was a handgun shooter himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
That privilege just quietly disappeared when he was replaced as Attorney General.
I agree with this lol http://youtu.be/lL8JEEt2RxI
I am thinking the "respectful" part.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
That's hilarious,Oddmot with some excellent points like only an Aussie (or a Canadian) could put so succinctly. I'm surprised the Yanks didn't run him out of town on a rail,but,then again,he was in that great Democrat/Liberal bastion of Boston. Dallas/Ft.Worth may have had an altogether different outcome.LOL
I think he could have been at the national NRA convention and he would have been well recieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Never at any point did he insult gun owners for their morals intelligece or anything. He even said the best and only agument a gun owner needs to make for having them is "I like gun" and he would not want someone taking away some thing he likes.