Canadian 'Freedom Convoy' donors leaked

FYI to anyone who donated through GiveSendGo. You may be contacted by the media particularly if you gave a large amount or are in a sensitive employment situation. You might also be attracting some attention from the federal government regarding your bank account.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...te-2022-02-15/

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Canadian 'Freedom Convoy' donors leaked
By Christopher Bing
and Anna Mehler Paperny
February 15, 20225:19 PM ESTLast Updated 15 hours ago

WASHINGTON/TORONTO, Feb 15 (Reuters) - The leak website Distributed Denial of Secrets on Tuesday said it has posted more donor files from the fundraising platform GiveSendGo relating to the Canadian movement of people opposed to pandemic health measures, including COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

On Sunday, the DDoS website, which is devoted to disseminating leaked data, said it was releasing donor information relating to the "Freedom Convoy 2022" campaign, which raised more than $2 million in donations. It includes funds raised from several Canadian business owners.

Tuesday's leak contains donor information about a similar Adopt-a-Trucker campaign, which says it is operating in partnership with the Freedom Convoy." The Adopt-a-Trucker effort appeared to raise less money and involved fewer donors.

The funding of the Canadian protests has emerged as a key point of interest as authorities in Ottawa and elsewhere try to get a grip on rallies led by truckers since late January that have blockaded cities and border crossings across Canada with demands that include deposing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. read more

GiveSendGo did not immediately respond to a request for comment about any hack or the status of its campaigns.

The Sunday data from the U.S.-based Christian fundraising site included names, email addresses, ZIP codes and internet protocol addresses. Tuesday's leak offered similar material in addition to payment details, based on a review of the data.

The new GiveSendGo data also came from a "hack" according to DDoS, which did not provide further information. The Adopt-a-Trucker campaign has pulled in nearly $600,000, according to GiveSendGo.

DDoS said that because the donor information contained sensitive personal information, it would not be making the data available publicly but would instead be offering it to journalists and researchers.

DDoS describes itself as a nonprofit devoted to enabling the free transmission of data in the public interest.

GiveSendGo became a prime conduit for money to the protesters after mainstream crowdfunding platform GoFundMe blocked donations to the self-declared Freedom Convoy. Earlier this month the group said it had raised $8 million for the protests.

The Ontario government obtained an injunction last week freezing GiveSendGo's "Freedom Convoy 2022" and "Adopt-A-Trucker" campaign funds. GiveSendGo said at the time it was not subject to Canadian law and continued to fundraise.

Brad Howland, president of EasyKleen Pressure Systems Ltd, which is headquartered in New Brunswick and manufactures high-pressure cleaning systems, donated $75,000 to GiveSendGo's "Freedom Convoy" on Feb. 9, according to leaked information confirmed by Reuters.

In a statement sent by a company spokesperson, Howland confirmed his support for the convoy, saying he wants the government to remove mandates "to restore all our freedoms."

"We drove to Ottawa this weekend and witnessed the protest for ourselves," the statement reads in part. "They have a beautiful, legal, peaceful protest that overwhelmed us with emotion. To see the love, peace, and unity that many of us have longed for, for a long time – It was an experience of a lifetime."

Holden Rhodes, a London, Ontario-based lawyer and mountain resort owner, confirmed in an email to Reuters that he and his wife donated $25,000 to the Freedom Convoy. It was the among the highest value donations from Canada.

"Without freedom, we have nothing. ... That is why I am doing what I am doing," said Rhodes, adding Ontario's decision on Monday to remove proof-of-vaccination requirements and other restrictions early is proof the movement has succeeded.

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The leak has already cost the job of an Ontario government staffer working for the Solicitor General.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/...reedom-convoy/

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Staffer of Ontario's Solicitor General steps away after online donation to 'freedom convoy'

By Lucas Casaletto
Posted Feb 15, 2022, 8:20PM EST.
Last Updated Feb 15, 2022, 10:40PM EST.

Ontario’s Solicitor General Sylvia Jones’s director of communications is no longer employed after recently donating $100 to the convoy protests that have paralyzed Canada’s capital for over two weeks.

A spokesperson for Premier Doug Ford confirmed that Marion Isabeau-Ringuette “no longer works for the Ontario government.”

“We’re not commenting any further as this is a staffing matter,” said Ivana Yelich, Ford’s executive director of media relations on Tuesday.

It was revealed that Isabeau-Ringuette donated $100 to an online fundraiser created by an organizer of anti-mandates and anti-government protests on February 5.

According to Q.P. Briefing, the donation was made under the initials” M.R.,” but her identity was confirmed based on the email address and postal code linked to the offering.

Isabeau-Ringuette was still working for the government as of Sunday as she was connected to a press release centred on keeping pets safe during extreme cold.

According to her LinkedIn page, Isabeau-Ringuette was hired in February 2020 after serving as Press Secretary to the Solicitor General for just over one year.

Protesters were initially raising funds on GoFundMe, but the crowdfunding website ultimately decided to remove the donations page to the Freedom Convoy 2022 and began offering full refunds after the more than $10 million raised helped support what they described as “violence and other unlawful activity.”

Organizers then turned to GiveSendGo, a Christian crowdfunding platform, where it raised more than $US8.4 million before an Ontario court froze access to the funds at the provincial government’s request.

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Can trudeau also publish the names of all donors to the trudeau foundation for the last few years? much of this money is from foreign influence, perhaps we can do that also or does that not fit his agenda so lets keep that quiet?

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Originally Posted by kokes

Can trudeau also publish the names of all donors to the trudeau foundation for the last few years? much of this money is from foreign influence, perhaps we can do that also or does that not fit his agenda so lets keep that quiet?

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you mean Klaus Schawb

With the Emergency Measures Act in force,donors need to watch their bank accounts. Broke in a heartbeat isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

Sounds like freedom

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Originally Posted by kokes

Can trudeau also publish the names of all donors to the trudeau foundation for the last few years? much of this money is from foreign influence, perhaps we can do that also or does that not fit his agenda so lets keep that quiet?

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Yeah really.
Trudeau is a Globalist kisser. He's Klaus Schwab's boy. He was installed as PM to destroy Canada and he's doing a great job of it.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

With the Emergency Measures Act in force,donors need to watch their bank accounts. Broke in a heartbeat isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

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And people don't think that Canada is a Communist nation.
I find that hilarious.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

With the Emergency Measures Act in force,donors need to watch their bank accounts. Broke in a heartbeat isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

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I am not worried in the least and nobody I know cares, but none of us are trying to overthrow the government or blocking roads and commerce and losing millions to the economy and jobs.

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Originally Posted by old outdoorsman

And people don't think that Canada is a Communist nation.
I find that hilarious.

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It depends who you ask

Even it's not communist at this moment yet..we are flying in that direction with unbelievable speed.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am not worried in the least and nobody I know cares, but none of us are trying to overthrow the government or blocking roads and commerce and losing millions to the economy and jobs.

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Maybe not know, but the way this act has been used can also be used from the other side of the aisle too, don't you forget that.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am not worried in the least and nobody I know cares, but none of us are trying to overthrow the government or blocking roads and commerce and losing millions to the economy and jobs.

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"over throw the government"
Hahahaha

Oh boy.
With bouncy houses and soup kitchens?

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Originally Posted by old outdoorsman

"over throw the government"
Hahahaha

Oh boy.
With bouncy houses and soup kitchens?

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You forgot those dangerous "marine troops" hanging out in hot tub.
You can expect anything from them [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by old outdoorsman

"over throw the government"
Hahahaha

Oh boy.
With bouncy houses and soup kitchens?

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Originally Posted by newbiehunter

You forgot those dangerous "marine troops" hanging out in hot tub.
You can expect anything from them [emoji23]

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Most Canadians can see through the bouncy castles and the cover job, we know exactly what was attempted here anybody can look at a Pat King upload and see the elements at work. Don't worry lads all these guys are pegged now and the voting public will also know.

I also see you managed to try and avoid the loss of jobs and future potential loss of jobs, closing of the border ,conspiracy to murder RCMP and blocking of the bridges and affect on local business, seizure of guns and ammunition. I guess your only worry goes as far as bouncy castles and hot tubs.

Not to mention using their own children as human shields.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Maybe not know, but the way this act has been used can also be used from the other side of the aisle too, don't you forget that.

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Well so far the act has not been used as it has to pass in PARLIAMENT, we do not know which selective powers they might utilize.

The "other side" will actually be voting on the implementation of the act and we shall see what party is for Law and order, so far one side has been for lawlessness and disorder by backing the insurgents.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Most Canadians can see through the bouncy castles and the cover job, we know exactly what was attempted here anybody can look at a Pat King upload and see the elements at work. Don't worry lads all these guys are pegged now and the voting public will also know.

I also see you managed to try and avoid the loss of jobs and future potential loss of jobs, closing of the border ,conspiracy to murder RCMP and blocking of the bridges and affect on local business, seizure of guns and ammunition. I guess your only worry goes as far as bouncy castles and hot tubs.

Not to mention using their own children as human shields.

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Big businesses will survive they are mad it's cutting into their profits.

Billionaires crying the border closed down a week . It was the border services who actually closed the rd. But you know blame the protesters.

Trucks could of came through but it was the government who closed the rd . The protesters had to open a lane they did and then it ended up closed.





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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Most Canadians can see through the bouncy castles and the cover job, we know exactly what was attempted here anybody can look at a Pat King upload and see the elements at work. Don't worry lads all these guys are pegged now and the voting public will also know.

I also see you managed to try and avoid the loss of jobs and future potential loss of jobs, closing of the border ,conspiracy to murder RCMP and blocking of the bridges and affect on local business, seizure of guns and ammunition. I guess your only worry goes as far as bouncy castles and hot tubs.

Not to mention using their own children as human shields.

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Hmm.
I didn't know that we needed a Federal State of Emergency to arrest Pat King?



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A business being threatened by haters for supporting the convoy. The divide is so bad who really cares what or who they donate to.

Loose your job over the support what joke.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/freed...vesendgo-hack/


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https://youtu.be/urRyRWy4KR0

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This is not the first time GiveSendGo has been hacked by the same group, Distributed Denial of Secrets. You might have thought after the first breach they'd have tightened up their security.

https://www.databreaches.net/data-le...osha-shooting/

I can not wrap my head around why donation to any cause -donating at the time when it WAS legal -can ,and is held against people.

I am kinda amazed how some are so quickly charged with a conspiracy to shoot RCMP out west, and yet still nothing but crickets about a conspiracy to shoot gunsmith Roger Kostanko (sp?) months ago, and he is dead.
John

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Originally Posted by newbiehunter

Hmm.
I didn't know that we needed a Federal State of Emergency to arrest Pat King?



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I see the you like to select one item like bouncy castles or Pat King and ignore all the other issues listed, when we can have a "mature" conversation let me know.

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

I am kinda amazed how some are so quickly charged with a conspiracy to shoot RCMP out west, and yet still nothing but crickets about a conspiracy to shoot gunsmith Roger Kostanko (sp?) months ago, and he is dead.
John

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This has been discussed on numerous posts on here and we are all awaiting the outcome of the SIU investigation. If you have a rushed investigation and lay charges to fast the case is likely to get tossed out of court, then some folks would be complaining about that. IMHO

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Originally Posted by gbk

I can not wrap my head around why donation to any cause -donating at the time when it WAS legal -can ,and is held against people.

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Has there been legal action taken against donors? From what I can see the intent of freezing bank accounts is meant for the actual protestors.

Donors whose names are now public may face some awkward questions from the media, their employers, family and friends but are very unlikely to have their bank accounts frozen.

I just had my bank account seized they found out I donated to the conservative party in the last election see how easy that is

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Originally Posted by 3030

I just had my bank account seized they found out I donated to the conservative party in the last election see how easy that is

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Considering the legislation has not been approved yet by Parliament in a vote this is yet another example of misinformation being peddled by supporters of a certain political party, maybe we should call it the big lie 11.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Considering the legislation has not been approved yet by Parliament in a vote this is yet another example of misinformation being peddled by supporters of a certain political party, maybe we should call it the big lie 11.

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Talk about misinformation ….you better read the “Act” and familiarize yourself with it .

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Talk about misinformation ….you better read the “Act” and familiarize yourself with it .

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The Emergencies Act when invoked by Cabinet comes into effect immediately. It must be presented before Parliament and the Senate within 7 sitting days of it coming into effect. Parliament can then revoke the Emergencies Act if it so chooses.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html

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18 (1) A declaration of a public order emergency is effective on the day on which it is issued, but a motion for confirmation of the declaration shall be laid before each House of Parliament and be considered in accordance with section 58..

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58 (1) Subject to subsection (4), a motion for confirmation of a declaration of emergency, signed by a minister of the Crown, together with an explanation of the reasons for issuing the declaration and a report on any consultation with the lieutenant governors in council of the provinces with respect to the declaration, shall be laid before each House of Parliament within seven sitting days after the declaration is issued.

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21 Parliament may revoke a declaration of a public order emergency in accordance with section 58 or 59.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The Emergencies Act when invoked by Cabinet comes into effect immediately. It must be presented before Parliament and the Senate within 7 sitting days of it coming into effect. Parliament can then revoke the Emergencies Act if it so chooses.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html

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So,Trudeau has a week to exact his revenge against the truckers and their supporters. His government is propped up by the NDP and his "independent" (Liberal) Senators giving him a de facto majority to ram through any legislation he deems fit and to extend the Emergencies Act indefinitely. Time restraints don't mean a lot under these circumstances.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Talk about misinformation ….you better read the “Act” and familiarize yourself with it .

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Well from MSM where you may not get any information selected portions of the Act can be enacted with Parliamentary approval. So for instance closing down bank accounts with the funds coming from foreign sources, but no the use of the military.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,Trudeau has a week to exact his revenge against the truckers and their supporters. His government is propped up by the NDP and his "independent" (Liberal) Senators giving him a de facto majority to ram through any legislation he deems fit and to extend the Emergencies Act indefinitely. Time restraints don't mean a lot under these circumstances.

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The Act” says within seven “sitting” days. The way the village idiot is running things, that could take months !!!!

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,Trudeau has a week to exact his revenge against the truckers and their supporters. His government is propped up by the NDP and his "independent" (Liberal) Senators giving him a de facto majority to ram through any legislation he deems fit and to extend the Emergencies Act indefinitely. Time restraints don't mean a lot under these circumstances.

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Well I suppose we could sit back, see the border closed again, firearms stashed, jobs lost, Cities under lock down, all under the guise that these FOLKS like Pat King are fighting for our freedoms. ROFLMAO

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The Act” says within seven “sitting” days. The way the village idiot is running things, that could take months !!!!

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Trudeau could literally perogue Parliament leaving the entire thing in limbo. The Emergency Act needs to be either completely repealed or amended to restrict it's use to war time only. Using it against unarmed,peaceful demonstrators is a gross over reach by a desparately failed government. Anyone calling this a "foreign funded attempt to overthrow Canada's democratic process" is ready for the "home".

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The Act” says within seven “sitting” days. The way the village idiot is running things, that could take months !!!!

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What would it matter you , your supporting the party of unlawfulness and disorder, the Conservatives are not voting for it so are happy for this situation to continue.

The hypocrisy is terrible Oka crisis and Ipperwash, Conservative leaders sent in the army and OPP and even managed to get a protester killed.

Of course protesters come in different varieties for the Con's we got Canadian Value protesters that have been getting away with murder and we got the "other" protesters who just get murdered.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

What would it matter you , your supporting the party of unlawfulness and disorder, the Conservatives are not voting for it so are happy for this situation to continue.

The hypocrisy is terrible Oka crisis and Ipperwash, Conservative leaders sent in the army and OPP and even managed to get a protester killed.

Of course protesters come in different varieties for the Con's we got Canadian Value protesters that have been getting away with murder and we got the "other" protesters who just get murdered.

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Nice attempt at deflection !! You’ve learned your Liberal lessons well !!

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Trudeau could literally perogue Parliament leaving the entire thing in limbo. The Emergency Act needs to be either completely repealed or amended to restrict it's use to war time only. Using it against unarmed,peaceful demonstrators is a gross over reach by a desparately failed government. Anyone calling this a "foreign funded attempt to overthrow Canada's democratic process" is ready for the "home".

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The Emergencies Act makes provisions for those times when Parliament is prorogued or dissolved.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/....html#h-214233

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Summoning Parliament or House

(2) If a declaration of emergency is issued during a prorogation of Parliament or when either House of Parliament stands adjourned, Parliament or that House, as the case may be, shall be summoned forthwith to sit within seven days after the declaration is issued.

Marginal note: Summoning Parliament

(3) If a declaration of emergency is issued at a time when the House of Commons is dissolved, Parliament shall be summoned to sit at the earliest opportunity after the declaration is issued.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,Trudeau has a week to exact his revenge against the truckers and their supporters. His government is propped up by the NDP and his "independent" (Liberal) Senators giving him a de facto majority to ram through any legislation he deems fit and to extend the Emergencies Act indefinitely. Time restraints don't mean a lot under these circumstances.

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No.


"Once the declaration has been officially proclaimed, the government has seven sitting days to present parliamentarians with what the Act describes as a “motion for confirmation of a declaration of emergency,” which must be signed by a minister and include “an explanation of the reasons for issuing the declaration,” as well as “a report on any consultation with the lieutenant governors in council of the provinces with respect to the declaration."

If the motion to confirm the declaration is adopted by both the House and Senate, it remains in place for the standard 30 days provided under the Act, at which point it will automatically expire if not extended, which also requires the approval of Parliament to proceed.

Meanwhile, within 60 days of the expiration or revocation of the declaration, the government is obliged to convene an inquiry “to be held into the circumstances that led to the declaration being issued and the measures taken for dealing with the emergency,” which “shall be laid before each House of Parliament within three hundred and sixty days after the expiration or revocation of the declaration of emergency.”

Given the government’s minority status, it’s hard to imagine how a defeat in the House Commons wouldn’t be viewed as a de facto vote of non-confidence, which would likely trigger an election. It’s not clear if that would be the case if the Senate pulled the plug on the order, however.

https://ipolitics.ca/2022/02/14/proc...ct-whats-next/

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The Emergencies Act makes provisions for those times when Parliament is prorogued or dissolved.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/....html#h-214233

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Read that little phrase in subsection 3 where it says "at the earliest opportunity........". That's the escape clause that can delay indefinitely. Governments can do a lot of damage in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Nice attempt at deflection !! You’ve learned your Liberal lessons well !!

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You need to actually read the Act, start of with my very informative post #38.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Read that little phrase in subsection 3 where it says "at the earliest opportunity........". That's the escape clause that can delay indefinitely. Governments can do a lot of damage in the meantime.

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I think you maybe messed up the last sentence " Insurrectionists can do a lot of damage in the meantime"

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Trudeau could literally perogue Parliament leaving the entire thing in limbo. The Emergency Act needs to be either completely repealed or amended to restrict it's use to war time only. Using it against unarmed,peaceful demonstrators is a gross over reach by a desparately failed government. Anyone calling this a "foreign funded attempt to overthrow Canada's democratic process" is ready for the "home".

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To pirogue Parliament was the fall back position of Dictator Harper. The emergencies act is only being used as a last resort to give Police the authority they stated they did not have under other laws.

Foreign money some 3.8 million has flowed into Canada from right wing groups and individuals in the USA.

The right now have become the party of disorder and the mess at the Capital is a copy of the mess that was at the Capitol.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think you maybe messed up the last sentence " Insurrectionists can do a lot of damage in the meantime"

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Yep,someone could fall out of a hot tub.

We are all for ending the mandates, but the Ottawa protest is unlawful. If it continues without action from authorities, then the rule of law means nothing anymore.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

We are all for ending the mandates, but the Ottawa protest is unlawful. If it continues without action from authorities, then the rule of law means nothing anymore.

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Who's we? If it was unlawful why hasn't there been arrests made? The rule of law doesn't apply to your leader why should it apply to protestors?
https://www.facebook.com/mj.scharf.7...6667611535823/

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Originally Posted by GloHole

Who's we? If it was unlawful why hasn't there been arrests made? The rule of law doesn't apply to your leader why should it apply to protestors?

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I thought “we” as in all of Canada would like to see mandates dropped. As far as the lack of action, I can only figure the blame falls on the former chief of police in Ottawa. Surely you must agree that is unlawful. Even the conservative politicians have said so.

There are other ways to protest lawfully. If the current protesters want to make their point, they should leave and not face arrest. Then stage further lawful protests at later dates. Why fall prey to government tactics when you can return to fight another day.

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Originally Posted by GloHole

Who's we? If it was unlawful why hasn't there been arrests made? The rule of law doesn't apply to your leader why should it apply to protestors?
https://www.facebook.com/mj.scharf.7...6667611535823/

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The Liberals did not block the border, did not stop trade, did not lose auto sector jobs,.

The moment the protesters arrived and parked in Ottawa they were illegal, by blocking roads, in violation of numerous by laws, without permits.

The protesters hoped for Government over reaction which did not occur.

They were given plenty of time and warnings, and as they continued to harm Canada, now enforcement action has been forced on them.

The Canadian public are behind the Government as they know democracy could fail if it goes the other way.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

I thought “we” as in all of Canada would like to see mandates dropped. As far as the lack of action, I can only figure the blame falls on the former chief of police in Ottawa. Surely you must agree that is unlawful. Even the conservative politicians have said so.

There are other ways to protest lawfully. If the current protesters want to make their point, they should leave and not face arrest. Then stage further lawful protests at later dates. Why fall prey to government tactics when you can return to fight another day.

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What should they be arrested for? and No I don't agree that it's unlawful and who cares what the conservatives say they aren't supposed to direct the police according to Sir Robert Peel.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The Liberals did not block the border, did not stop trade, did not lose auto sector jobs,.

The moment the protesters arrived and parked in Ottawa they were illegal, by blocking roads, in violation of numerous by laws, without permits.

The protesters hoped for Government over reaction which did not occur.

They were given plenty of time and warnings, and as they continued to harm Canada, now enforcement action has been forced on them.

The Canadian public are behind the Government as they know democracy could fail if it goes the other way.

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Sure they did and even worse under the guise of a virus no deadlier than the flu. Only when it affects the billionaires that support these political puppets it becomes an issue. Roads aren't blocked by truckers and Canadians aren't behind the government if they were you wouldn't be seeing what we have been seeing for the last 3 weeks. Your posts today have been nothing but regurgitated propaganda from government and MSM fake news that really just make the case against your Liberal government look even more pathetic than they really are. Putin and Xi have even called out the Turd how sad is that. The world is watching.

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Originally Posted by GloHole

What should they be arrested for? and No I don't agree that it's unlawful and who cares what the conservatives say they aren't supposed to direct the police according to Sir Robert Peel.

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Lots to chose from, Obstruct Police, Mischief, Public Nuisance and that is just of the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by GloHole

Sure they did and even worse under the guise of a virus no deadlier than the flu. Only when it affects the billionaires that support these political puppets it becomes an issue,

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When did you graduate from Medical school?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Lots to chose from, Obstruct Police, Mischief, Public Nuisance and that is just of the top of my head.

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You could lay those against any protestor from any cause by that metric.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The Liberals did not block the border, did not stop trade, did not lose auto sector jobs,.

The moment the protesters arrived and parked in Ottawa they were illegal, by blocking roads, in violation of numerous by laws, without permits.

The protesters hoped for Government over reaction which did not occur.

They were given plenty of time and warnings, and as they continued to harm Canada, now enforcement action has been forced on them.

The Canadian public are behind the Government as they know democracy could fail if it goes the other way.

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Heck kick them all out .


I have said before it's happened before history has a tendency to repeat itself every few decades .


Maybe the government will take lessons not to overreact the public and make experimental drugs mandatory. Help divide the people over an experimental vaccine.

Our prime Minister our government leader said I was misogynist, racist ,extremists non science believer.
Because I choose not to take experimental drugs or drugs I wish not to take. I never took acid I had the choice I sad no . The first time I was introduced to cocaine I said no . See we have choices.

He says I don't believe the science when they only sjow me half the science .

Why can't I have the right to choose from within all the science not just what they want to tell me.


I think our pm owes me an apology lol

I think he owes the people of Canada who took the vaccine and support the convoy an apology .




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Originally Posted by Gilroy

When did you graduate from Medical school?

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Do you need a medical degree to reed data?
https://bestnewshere.com/w-h-o-conce...Svh0RrYLuL4eAM

Same rabbit hole just different day. Shrug!

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Originally Posted by GloHole

You could lay those against any protestor from any cause by that metric.

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No I have been to hundreds of demonstrations in downtown Toronto and very few ever meet the threshold for those charges to be laid under the Criminal CODE. But there again these were lawful protests, most all had permits and boundaries attached to them and were very temporary most lasting a few hours.

The occupation by the radical right group's represented by dozens of flags of different meanings and aims is very different.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Heck kick them all out .


I have said before it's happened before history has a tendency to repeat itself every few decades .


Maybe the government will take lessons not to overreact the public and make experimental drugs mandatory. Help divide the people over an experimental vaccine.

Our prime Minister our government leader said I was misogynist, racist ,extremists non science believer.
Because I choose not to take experimental drugs or drugs I wish not to take. I never took acid I had the choice I sad no . The first time I was introduced to cocaine I said no . See we have choices.

He says I don't believe the science when they only sjow me half the science .

Why can't I have the right to choose from within all the science not just what they want to tell me.


I think our pm owes me an apology lol

I think he owes the people of Canada who took the vaccine and support the convoy an apology .




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Well if you choose not to take the vaccine, you obviously had a choice.

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No I have been to hundreds of demonstrations in downtown Toronto and very few ever meet the threshold for those charges to be laid under the Criminal CODE. But there again these were lawful protests, most all had permits and boundaries attached to them and were very temporary most lasting a few hours.

The occupation by the radical right group's represented by dozens of flags of different meanings and aims is very different.

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How would anyone know if these are not false flags?

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How would anyone know if these are not false flags?

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There are no false flags with triggered lefties unless they're planted amongst patriotic Canadians as already demonstrated. Which you continue to employ to lend credibility to your ridiculous claims of insurrection.

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There are no false flags with triggered lefties unless they're planted amongst patriotic Canadians as already demonstrated. Which you continue to employ to lend credibility to your ridiculous claims of insurrection.

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Well let us first in this lesson start by looking at the definition of insurrection.

"an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government."

So I am pretty sure closing down trade at a few major borders, occupying a Capital, blocking roads, imposing more restrictions on citizens lives would all fall into that definition.

We have seen all the false messages posted some on here by members already claiming their bank accounts are closed. Pictures of so called veterans protecting the line with medals on that were phoney. We have seen the deception already time and time again.

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Well let us first in this lesson start by looking at the definition of insurrection.

"an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government."

So I am pretty sure closing down trade at a few major borders, occupying a Capital, blocking roads, imposing more restrictions on citizens lives would all fall into that definition.

We have seen all the false messages posted some on here by members already claiming their bank accounts are closed. Pictures of so called veterans protecting the line with medals on that were phoney. We have seen the deception already time and time again.

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Considering your Prime Minister and Cabinet are the Alumni of Davos with their leader bragging that he has penetrated zee cabinets who then are the real insurrectionists?

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Considering your Prime Minister and Cabinet are the Alumni of Davos with their leader bragging that he has penetrated zee cabinets who then are the real insurrectionists?

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Justin is everybody's Prime Minister as he is the Prime Minister of CANADA. Voted into that position in a democratic election (no Conservative Robo Calls last time).

If you keep worrying about Davos and Overlords you are never going to get anything constructive done.

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You got it wrong again, Justin is everybody's Prime Minister as he is the Prime Minister of CANADA. Voted into that position in a democratic election (no Conservative Robo Calls last time).

If you keep worrying about Davos and Overlords you are never going to get anything constructive done.

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............ a democracy only functions if the people allow themselves to be governed hence what we have unfolding now. When the OVERLOADS have penetrated the government there is plenty to worry about. I'll see your Great Reset and raise you a Great Awakening.

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Simply because they're silly nonsense.

Remember when twitter said it wouldnt allow sharing of the hunter biden laptop story cuz it was hacked info? Its funny how they are quick to share all the hacked names of people who donated to this freedom convoy... I wonder what explanation twitter could give us?

Yet if your a trucker who is bringing in Covid-19 supplies or medical supplies you are exempt says health Canada.

It doesn't matter if your not vaccinated if they want something . Come on in

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...-devices-into/

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That poster's bias is evident from the start. It's crap.

As I've said before these are Bolshevik tactics, plain & simple.
Wonder why we don't have the names of Ghislaine Maxwell's client list yet?

Clown world.

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Remember when twitter said it wouldnt allow sharing of the hunter biden laptop story cuz it was hacked info? Its funny how they are quick to share all the hacked names of people who donated to this freedom convoy... I wonder what explanation twitter could give us?

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Just another example of what I've been saying previously...that the left only cares about power at all costs, and that double standards are their only standards.

Hillary Clinton still walking around freely after spying on Trump. Hunter Biden scandal, January 6th people rotting in prison for misdemeanour trespassing, Proud Boys who dared defend themselves against radical violent anarchists like Antifa are serving years in prison, and so on.

The message is clear: don't dissent against the regime!

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You could lay those against any protestor from any cause by that metric.

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But that would require intellectual honesty, consistency and a conscience :)

How do you expect someone who supports BLM and still supports Trudeau after fully revealing himself as the petty despot he is to understand such a basic concept?

Ignore the desperate flailing of those who have lost the plot.

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Just another example of what I've been saying previously...that the left only cares about power at all costs, and that double standards are their only standards.

Hillary Clinton still walking around freely after spying on Trump. Hunter Biden scandal, January 6th people rotting in prison for misdemeanour trespassing, Proud Boys who dared defend themselves against radical violent anarchists like Antifa are serving years in prison, and so on.

The message is clear: don't dissent against the regime!

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Capital insurrection's from the right
Capitol insurrection's from the right
Robo calls from the right.
Watergate from the right.
Voter suppression from the right.

I fella cant get nuthin rite if he keeps doin wrong.

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"Lawbreaking is very bad!" Said the online mob cheerfully sharing stolen data (interception, criminal code s.184(1)) used to threaten a gelato shop owner with bricks through her window (uttering threats, criminal code s.241.1(1)(b))

So...let me get this straight...someone (a hacker), steals private property, and now the State is using information obtained through illegal and criminal actity...to punish people who donated to a cause they believe in....

Are you proud of this information and use of stolen information? To persecute and steal the peoples money? TO stop a single mother from accessing her bank account to feed her child? Or an elderly couple in BC in the same situation?

Please tell me you support the use of the list or you don't?

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So...let me get this straight...someone (a hacker), steals private property, and now the State is using information obtained through illegal and criminal actity...to punish people who donated to a cause they believe in....

Are you proud of this information and use of stolen information? To persecute and steal the peoples money? TO stop a single mother from accessing her bank account to feed her child? Or an elderly couple in BC in the same situation?

Please tell me you support the use of the list or you don't?

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One illegal act to support another illegal act.

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So...let me get this straight...someone (a hacker), steals private property, and now the State is using information obtained through illegal and criminal actity...to punish people who donated to a cause they believe in....

Are you proud of this information and use of stolen information? To persecute and steal the peoples money? TO stop a single mother from accessing her bank account to feed her child? Or an elderly couple in BC in the same situation?

Please tell me you support the use of the list or you don't?

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The police didn't hack the list and using it is acceptable providing the authorities confirmed the donation through the relevant financial institution and didn't rely entirely on the list.

The GiveSendGo donations came after the truckers occupied central Ottawa and were under investigation for criminal activities. Anyone sending money was financially supporting illegal activities and shouldn't be too shocked that there are consequences when you send money to help criminals.

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The police didn't hack the list and using it is acceptable providing the authorities confirmed the donation through the relevant financial institution and didn't rely entirely on the list.

The GiveSendGo donations came after the truckers occupied central Ottawa and were under investigation for criminal activities. Anyone sending money was financially supporting illegal activities and shouldn't be too shocked that there are consequences when you send money to help criminals.

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The Big question is why all the attention is going to US donations on giveSendGo?

My understanding is that msm trying to brain wash the public in their usual style..

The original funding campaign was blocked if stats were to be released on 1st iteration - I am quite sure it would be 90% domestic..

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The police didn't hack the list and using it is acceptable providing the authorities confirmed the donation through the relevant financial institution and didn't rely entirely on the list.

The GiveSendGo donations came after the truckers occupied central Ottawa and were under investigation for criminal activities. Anyone sending money was financially supporting illegal activities and shouldn't be too shocked that there are consequences when you send money to help criminals.

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I like your thinking Badenoch. Using the same rational thought process we should be able to have an open season on suspected but uncharged diddlers and pedophiles. As long as the end result is they are removed from society then the legal process is not really needed, unless YOU believe that pedophiles deserve more rights and protection then citizens actually asserting their legal right to protest and support financially what they believe to be an honest and legal assembly.
Also bypass these NDAs that allow the rich to do illegal acts and use money to buy their way out and repeat over again.
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The police didn't hack the list and using it is acceptable providing the authorities confirmed the donation through the relevant financial institution and didn't rely entirely on the list.

The GiveSendGo donations came after the truckers occupied central Ottawa and were under investigation for criminal activities. Anyone sending money was financially supporting illegal activities and shouldn't be too shocked that there are consequences when you send money to help criminals.

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That the police didn't hack the list is not relevant. See post #74 above. Also, look what happens when the shoe is on the other foot (wikileaks, etc.) See meme below for more context.

Targeting and doxxing private citizens and freezing their bank accounts are tactics of the CCP. We don't treat political dissidents this way. By definition, there's no such thing as a political dissident here...but not any more. Now the authoritarian state can just arbitrarily redefine terms in order to label you as such for their political gain.

Do you support freedom only when it aligns with the views of the ruling elite? The GiveSendGo donations came after the other funds were illegally and arbitrarily frozen. "If you don't like it, just build your own platform!" is what the left has been smugly saying for years in regards to the relentless censorship of any person or idea to the right of Stalin. So they do build their own (Gab, Gettr, Rumble, GiveSendGo, Thinkspot, etc.) but now those are "dangerous" or promote "hate" and need the full force of big gov + msm to crack down against them even further. See the problem?

This isn't the behaviour of a confident or competent government, but the desperate tactics of punch drunk tyrants on the ropes. And all it does it further erode the public trust.

These dangerous "insurrectionists" have not been charged with sedition. In fact, none have been criminally charged at all.

Meanwhile, zero investigations into BLM donors. Makes sense :)

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Funds were frozen, not seized, because they were suspected of being used to support criminal activities. The organizers of the so-called Freedom Convoy have been criminally charged and are either behind bars or out on bail. There are also other charges pending for the participants in the illegal occupation.

It wasn't the government that doxxed the donors it was the news media in the same way that other leaks of information are used by journalists. Furthermore, there are no guarantees of donor confidentiality at GiveSendGo but there are specific prohibitions about campaigns funding illegal activities. Buyer beware.

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Funds were frozen, not seized, because they were suspected of being used to support criminal activities. The organizers of the so-called Freedom Convoy have been criminally charged and are either behind bars or out on bail. There are also other charges pending for the participants in the illegal occupation.

It wasn't the government that doxxed the donors it was the news media in the same way that other leaks of information are used by journalists. Furthermore, there are no guarantees of donor confidentiality at GiveSendGo but there are specific prohibitions about campaigns funding illegal activities. Buyer beware.

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So by that logic, now that no crimes or terrorism occurred, why weren’t the funds distributed?

You can’t just call whatever you don’t like terrorism. But I guess when calling everyone you don’t like Nazi for years this just par for the course with Trudeau.

A protest is not an illegal occupation.

There is a big difference between basic expectations of confidentiality and openly celebrating hacked data to doxx your political opponents.

The Deputy Director of FINTRAC says the donations were legal and didn't fund terrorism.
"Millions in donations to the Freedom Convoy appeared to be an honest outpouring of public support, a federal regulator said yesterday. 'It wasn’t cash that funded terrorism'"

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Funds were frozen, not seized, because they were suspected of being used to support criminal activities.

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Apparently the suspicions were wrong (surprised?). What isn't surprising is that the MSM didn't report a senior government official telling the Commons that donors weren't terrorists or funding terrorists.

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https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...nors-no-threat

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Apparently the suspicions were wrong (surprised?). What isn't surprising is that the MSM didn't report a senior government official telling the Commons that donors weren't terrorists or funding terrorists.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...nors-no-threat

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Not being a "security threat" to Canada does not mean they were not engaged in criminal activities which the protestors evidently were. GoFundMe came to the same conclusion which is why it withheld funds from the protestors and refunded the donors.

Whatever. It was determined that there was nothing nefarious going on, which was why the funds were unfrozen.

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Not being a "security threat" to Canada does not mean they were not engaged in criminal activities which the protestors evidently were. GoFundMe came to the same conclusion which is why it withheld funds from the protestors and refunded the donors.

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Pretty sure the politicians had their noise in it .



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Whatever. It was determined that there was nothing nefarious going on, which was why the funds were unfrozen.

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The funds were only unfrozen after the criminal activity was brought to a conclusion by the police. If the protestors were still there the bank accounts would still be frozen.

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Not being a "security threat" to Canada does not mean they were not engaged in criminal activities which the protestors evidently were. GoFundMe came to the same conclusion which is why it withheld funds from the protestors and refunded the donors.

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GoFundMe is a woke leftist organization that punished these lowly people for wrongthink. What criminal activities were being engaged in? Giving out food and singing?

If that was simply the case of a heroic company's moral fibre, why were the GiveSendGo funds also frozen?

It's political.

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Exactly. As if we needed any more proof that Satan is real.

Did you hear about Jean-Luc Brunel who was also "mysteriously" just found dead in his jail cell? He was connected to Maxwell & Epstein...

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/19/jean-...dead-16134699/

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GoFundMe is a woke leftist organization that punished these lowly people for wrongthink. What criminal activities were being engaged in? Giving out food and singing?

If that was simply the case of a heroic company's moral fibre, why were the GiveSendGo funds also frozen?

It's political.

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The so-called "Freedom Convoy" met the Criminal Code definition of an "unlawful assembly" when it blockaded streets and ignored instructions to leave. Additional laws were broken when they ignored orders under the Emergency Act and police were required to remove them by force. The leadership and some of the more notable participants are now facing charges and are behind bars or out on restrictive bail conditions.

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The so-called "Freedom Convoy" met the Criminal Code definition of an "unlawful assembly" when it blockaded streets and ignored instructions to leave. Additional laws were broken when they ignored orders under the Emergency Act and police were required to remove them by force. The leadership and some of the more notable participants are now facing charges and are behind bars or out on restrictive bail conditions.

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Out of curiosity: what's your stance on Kiev events in 2014 ?
Those folks also showed up against the law to protest and blockaded streets, ignored orders and so on..

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Out of curiosity: what's your stance on Kiev events in 2014 ?
Those folks also showed up against the law to protest and blockaded streets, ignored orders and so on..

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Apples to Oranges:

-The Govt in Ukraine was propped up by the Russians.
-The President and his cronies had skimmed $100Bn ( est) from Ukraine, who at that time had an economy the size of Nebraska.
-Previous governments had worked to establish a trade agreement with the EU, which would have harmed their biggest trade partner ( Russia).

Hardly the same scenario, nor outcome.

Unless the protest in downtown Ottawa was about an elected leader destabilizing the entire nation, and wanting to overthrow his government. ( Must have missed that in the demands put forward.).

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The so-called "Freedom Convoy" met the Criminal Code definition of an "unlawful assembly" when it blockaded streets and ignored instructions to leave. Additional laws were broken when they ignored orders under the Emergency Act and police were required to remove them by force. The leadership and some of the more notable participants are now facing charges and are behind bars or out on restrictive bail conditions.

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Blockades are a separate issue. Lanes were left open, businesses were happy despite the false msm narrative. Laws were broken by the government, and the funds were frozen before the bogus state of emergency was declared. Violence was initiated by the government.

This to my earlier point of simply changing definitions of things so that whatever/whoever you don't like becomes "terrorism" etc.
Slippery slope. Which is why the left's broader agenda of censoring speech is so important and should be a wake up call for everyone concerned with freedom.

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Blockades are a separate issue. Lanes were left open, businesses were happy despite the false msm narrative. Laws were broken by the government, and the funds were frozen before the bogus state of emergency was declared. Violence was initiated by the government.

This to my earlier point of simply changing definitions of things so that whatever/whoever you don't like becomes "terrorism" etc.
Slippery slope. Which is why the left's broader agenda of censoring speech is so important and should be a wake up call for everyone concerned with freedom.

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Going to take issue with part of that.

1. Lanes were not left open, outcome would have been vastly different if this protest did the same as the tractor protest a few years back.
2. Not all businesses were happy, the Rideau Center had 1500 employees who were essentially laid off, due to its closure. There were 100s of building trades working in the Center Block who also didn't work. Many of whom aren't wealthy, and 3 weeks without pay hurt, a lot.

That isn't MSM "Narrative", that's a guy who lives in Ottawa....and knows several of the people mentioned.

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Going to take issue with part of that.

1. Lanes were not left open, outcome would have been vastly different if this protest did the same as the tractor protest a few years back.
2. Not all businesses were happy, the Rideau Center had 1500 employees who were essentially laid off, due to its closure. There were 100s of building trades working in the Center Block who also didn't work. Many of whom aren't wealthy, and 3 weeks without pay hurt, a lot.

That isn't MSM "Narrative", that's a guy who lives in Ottawa....and knows several of the people mentioned.

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Not on the bridges, but to my knowledge Ottawa wasn't completely blocked. Still a lane for EMS, etc. close to parliament. It wasn't the dangerous apocalyptic "occupation" or "insurrection" MSM desperately tried to make it out as.

It's hard to know what the outcome would have been as hindsight is always 20/20 as they say. But the fact that they are scrapping the vax pass tomorrow and have severely changed their tune on covid/restrictions shows this was effective. Millions have woke up. The narrative has crumbled so now it's full on RUSSIA BAD! Which I believe is a distraction of sorts.

It's unfortunate that those tradesmen couldn't work for a few weeks, but they should be directing their anger towards tyrannical government overreach that has locked them down and had them fired over the past 2 years. Many small businesses were busier than ever, and police were recently going around trying to intimidate or fine some of those businesses for daring to serve the truckers. A local gelato shop had its window smashed and was threatened for showing support for freedom.

Hopefully we have some brighter days ahead.

Spring turkey just around the corner...hopefully we don't get locked down again ;)

Doug Ford announced his intention last fall to lift the vaccine passport in January but was delayed by Omicron. He'd always planned to lift it and the timing has nothing to do with the illegal occupation of downtown Ottawa and everything to do with declining hospitalization rates.

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Apples to Oranges:

-The Govt in Ukraine was propped up by the Russians.
-The President and his cronies had skimmed $100Bn ( est) from Ukraine, who at that time had an economy the size of Nebraska.
-Previous governments had worked to establish a trade agreement with the EU, which would have harmed their biggest trade partner ( Russia).

Hardly the same scenario, nor outcome.

Unless the protest in downtown Ottawa was about an elected leader destabilizing the entire nation, and wanting to overthrow his government. ( Must have missed that in the demands put forward.).

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So as long as protestors match your belief system - they can break the law !

Am I summarizing the consensus correctly?

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Am I summarizing the consensus correctly?

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Not at all. I believe original premise is flawed in its comparison.

Kiev in 2014 hardly resembled any of the circumstances that the recent Ottawa protest had.

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Not at all. The original premise is flawed in its comparison.

Kiev in 2014 hardly resembled any of the circumstances that the recent Ottawa protest had.

Nice try though. Try a different bait if you're looking to stir the pot....

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I am not trying to stir the pot by any means..
Just confused by inconsistent logic that is being applied to both scenarios.
Although technically they both broke "the law"; one cannot throw that "law" argument against the truckers without applying it to events of 2014




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I am not trying to stir the pot by any means..

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Oh, I sincerely doubt that assertion.

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Just confused by inconsistent logic that is being applied to both scenarios.

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No you're not. Your posts thus far convey a position that it's easier to argue from a passive aggressive posture. Ask innocently enough, while asserting an argumentative position that is fallacy. You're assertions disguised as questions are a typical strategy employed by those in the post secondary realm....

Argue the salient points, without asking...

Assert that the two are exactly the same, and then articulate why....not doing so shows a lack of ability to debate or defend a position effectively.

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Although technically they both broke "the law"; one cannot throw that "law" argument against the truckers without applying it to events of 2014

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One was a revolution against a regime that by-and large the general population was against. It sought to depose it.

The other could hardly be described as such. Despite lots of "support" it did not receive the support of Canadians, nor the public in downtown Ottawa.

The two are not even remotely the same.

When my wife was in labour I "broke the law" getting her to the hospital. The ends justified the means, right? Only if I had been stopped by LEO, I would have expected the book to be thrown at me, and the justice system would have dealt with it from there....and I would understand it, as I had violated the laws of the land.

Which is exactly where those who have been charged are at.

My guess? There will be a lot of conditional discharges being granted with conditions.

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One was a revolution against a regime that by-and large the general population was against. It sought to depose it.

The other could hardly be described as such. Despite lots of "support" it did not receive the support of Canadians, nor the public in downtown Ottawa.

The two are not even remotely the same..

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There are LOTs of similarities in both. More the western news will have you believe.
The main difference is who won the media battle in the end is the one who writes the history in the end..

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Doug Ford announced his intention last fall to lift the vaccine passport in January but was delayed by Omicron. He'd always planned to lift it and the timing has nothing to do with the illegal occupation of downtown Ottawa and everything to do with declining hospitalization rates.

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So why are talking about more restrictions this fall again mote shut downs and mandates Dr Tam is talking about . If we are coming out of a pandemic why would she be warning of more mandates coming lol.

They just need to end and stay ended lol.

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So why are talking about more restrictions this fall again mote shut downs and mandates Dr Tam is talking about . If we are coming out of a pandemic why would she be warning of more mandates coming lol.

They just need to end and stay ended lol.

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I’m not aware of additional restrictions in the fall but it’s my understanding that, in general, occurrces of the flu decline in warmer weather and increase in cooler weather… something to do with the amount of time people spend indoors cooped up with others. Perhaps Dr. Tam expects another wave next year.

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OK. Go ahead....argue that point. You want to argue false equivalencies as a debate style, and then act innocent...give us those points....

I shouldn't have to educate a grown adult on how to effectively debate, but here we are.

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More the western news will have you believe.
The main difference is who won the media battle in the end is the one who writes the history in the end..

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Based on what?

I see lots of posts railing against MSM from you ( borderline Alcan Chapeau material).

I'm fairly certain the revolution in Ukraine in 2014, and the subsequent government change, coupled with the fact that there were fewer Ukrainian citizens seeking to emigrate post 2014 bears out that it was a good thing.

Similarly, lots of folks in downtown Ottawa were peaceful. Lots weren't. Lots were charged, some have been sued.

I guess the MSM also controls the Justice system? Or could it be that a Judge found some merit in the class action?

Be aware that confirmation bias is a thing. You choose to believe a certain thing, you're going to find lots of "sources" that are going to agree with you...

Anyhow, after a return after a lengthy absence, I came back to enjoy some hunting, shooting, and fishing threads.

This site has seemingly become a community of pot stirrers, and a place for people to complain about whatever government or policy seems to be at issue with them. trying to get things back to balance...Turkey opens in about 60 days.

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Be aware that confirmation bias is a thing. You choose to believe a certain thing, you're going to find lots of "sources" that are going to agree with you...
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Why would I waste my time giving you data references if you already made up your mind about my sources before seeing them?
Clearly no matter what data I provide as argument will not convince you otherwise.

So let's agree to disagree..

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Blockades are a separate issue. Lanes were left open, businesses were happy despite the false msm narrative. Laws were broken by the government, and the funds were frozen before the bogus state of emergency was declared. Violence was initiated by the government.

This to my earlier point of simply changing definitions of things so that whatever/whoever you don't like becomes "terrorism" etc.
Slippery slope. Which is why the left's broader agenda of censoring speech is so important and should be a wake up call for everyone concerned with freedom.

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I suggest if your so concerned with freedom you should take a look at MSM and see what loss of real freedom looks like. CNN has coverage from the ground your Rebel News probably does not have to many reporters in Ukraine.

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I suggest if your so concerned with freedom you should take a look at MSM and see what loss of real freedom looks like. CNN has coverage from the ground your Rebel News probably does not have to many reporters in Ukraine.

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See my post #18 in the "USA Convoy" thread, where I address this claim.

"If you want to see REAL oppression, just go to _________" (insert country that's worse off than ours).

This is perhaps the weakest argument I've ever encountered, and a complete avoidance of important local issues.

I am left wondering how many on here were dumb enough to contribute to this. If you had asked I could have easily told you it would be hacked shortly. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Heck I predicted that there were still copies of the Gun registry and there ar4e probably hundreds of local ones.

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I am left wondering how many on here were dumb enough to contribute to this. If you had asked I could have easily told you it would be hacked shortly. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Heck I predicted that there were still copies of the Gun registry and there ar4e probably hundreds of local ones.

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Yeh pretty sure Homeland security has the complete registry.

No doubt they do but how current or useful is it as I'm sure alot of firearms have been bought, sold and traded since then. It isn't worth the paper it's written on. It would be more useful as TP.

Well hard to say if Home Security hacked it. But there are lot's of Hackers out there on the Left and on the Right.

If any company organization thinks they are unhackable well they will be hacked in short time.

I try to keep most of my stuff to myself on my old network drives.

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Yeh pretty sure Homeland security has the complete registry.

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OK. Go ahead....argue that point. You want to argue false equivalencies as a debate style, and then act innocent...give us those points....

I shouldn't have to educate a grown adult on how to effectively debate, but here we are.




Based on what?

I see lots of posts railing against MSM from you ( borderline Alcan Chapeau material).

I'm fairly certain the revolution in Ukraine in 2014, and the subsequent government change, coupled with the fact that there were fewer Ukrainian citizens seeking to emigrate post 2014 bears out that it was a good thing.

Similarly, lots of folks in downtown Ottawa were peaceful. Lots weren't. Lots were charged, some have been sued.

I guess the MSM also controls the Justice system? Or could it be that a Judge found some merit in the class action?

Be aware that confirmation bias is a thing. You choose to believe a certain thing, you're going to find lots of "sources" that are going to agree with you...

Anyhow, after a return after a lengthy absence, I came back to enjoy some hunting, shooting, and fishing threads.

This site has seemingly become a community of pot stirrers, and a place for people to complain about whatever government or policy seems to be at issue with them. trying to get things back to balance...Turkey opens in about 60 days.

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Not looking to stir the pot, just chiming in with my 2 cents here.

I would say based on independent media that is not a far left handout-receiving megaphone for the Trudeau government. Based on numerous livestreamers who've provided excellent coverage to millions of viewers. Based on thousands of hard working, freedom-loving Canadians of all ages, races and jab status who've assembled in -20 weather all across the country to show support for this movement...who've been horribly slandered by their own Prime Minister of all people. Based on people who went to Ottawa and other peaceful protests in other cities. Based on people who live in Ottawa, and those who run small businesses there. Reminder that legacy media is dying, and an independent podcaster like Joe Rogan has the largest audience in the USA by far. My man Tucker Carlson is 2nd, but it's not even close.

Is there something wrong about railing against MSM? Especially at this stage in the game, when so much fake news has been exposed and so much credibility lost? They dug their own grave and now they are crying foul when people call them out. The vast majority of the protestors and supporters were very peaceful, with the only violence coming from counter protestors and police. The government and various police officers are also getting sued. Justice Julie Bourgeois is very liberal and once ran for office. It's no secret that even our justice system is 'woke' now, and there is definitely an Orwellian ‘thought crime’ element to all of this. Trudeau himself is the arbiter of what is now "acceptable". Calling out bias or injustice in a democracy is how you do democracy, just like questioning science is how you do science. You don't just blindly trust it or follow it.

The very nature of -- the entire point of -- places like this forum (and specifically, the "off-topic" section of it) is to engage in discussion about things that are perhaps not as common elsewhere, and certainly not in the mainstream. I mean, who's really that interested in the edge retention or corrosion resistance of different types of steel, or hunting stories from old farts, or the intricacies of tying flies or minimalist bowhunting? Turns out we are. But that's pretty much how the internet started back in the day -- with chats & forums. People like to discuss things and ideas, and when everyone has been unfairly locked up for a very stressful 2 years, maybe they want to discuss things even more now? We've never experienced anything like the past 2 years, and hopefully we never do again. So it’s natural that local covid-related topics tend to predominate here as of late.

If there is a topic that doesn't interest me, or people are discussing something I know little about, I'm not forced to engage. It's a choice to post and respond, and there is a huge variety of threads on here to keep us all occupied. No one is holding anyone hostage. Short of making a threat, directly calling someone a slur or blatantly harassing them, or posting obscene/illegal material (or another forum rule I may have missed), we should let the "free market of ideas" do its thing.

I think the covid stuff is starting to lose steam, and we will naturally shift to other topics of interest going forward.

Boats will be back in the water soon.

Bushwhacker.



"who's really that interested in the edge retention or corrosion resistance of different types of steel, or hunting stories from old farts"

"Short of making a threat, directly calling someone a slur "

Alrighty then.

The Rideau center was not shutdown by City...their own management company shut it down and stopped business inside from operating.

Many businesses opened and had ZERO issues and got back into the black profitability wise. They Woke left mob is only telling one side of story (not directed at you bluebulldog)

Lastly - where is the moral outrage from the Ford governments shutdowns for the last 2 years???? Which destroyed 50,000 - 100,000 business in Ontario that will never open again...

Lets call a spade a spade here...

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Going to take issue with part of that.

1. Lanes were not left open, outcome would have been vastly different if this protest did the same as the tractor protest a few years back.
2. Not all businesses were happy, the Rideau Center had 1500 employees who were essentially laid off, due to its closure. There were 100s of building trades working in the Center Block who also didn't work. Many of whom aren't wealthy, and 3 weeks without pay hurt, a lot.

That isn't MSM "Narrative", that's a guy who lives in Ottawa....and knows several of the people mentioned.

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