Started by the MOD to clean up derailed thread

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Out of respect to OP please keep post directly related to rabies.
If you want to discuss covid and rabbies start another thread in the covid forum

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Just curious if you're going to remain consistent with that approach with all threads and all topics?

Serious question. If you're not consistent, you're being discriminatory.

EDIT: MODERATOR FINSFURSFEATHERS HAS STARTED THIS THREAD IN MY NAME, DESPITE MY REQUESTS THAT HE REPRESENT HIMSELF AS THE OP. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN HOUSEKEEPING OF THREAD TOPICS.

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This thread is held as a guide to help curate further discussion against censorship and handling off-topic topics in the off-topic section. It is worth noting that GW11 did not start this thread but rather, was imported from another one.
MeghanOOD

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Originally Posted by GW11

Just curious if you're going to remain consistent with that approach with all threads and all topics?

Serious question. If you're not consistent, you're being discriminatory.

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

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Trying my best however if you find something amist please use the report feature to help me out.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Trying my best however if you find something amist please use the report feature to help me out.

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Were the "off-topic" posts in this thread actually reported or did you remove them after reading them and deciding for yourself they didn't fit? Either way, I'll PM JoePa and find out.

I'm having a hard time seeing how comparing vaccines in a vaccine related thread is any different than comparing rifle calibres or action type. For example, I don't remember seeing any threads about the 270 being edited by the mods to ensure only the 270 was discussed.



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I think there's bound to be crossover. The whole point of the COVID-19 thread was to try and alleviate COVID fatigue. Eventually we'll be able to liquidate it to an off-topic item, in the future, when it's not as prevalent. One hopes.

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I think there's bound to be crossover. The whole point of the COVID-19 thread was to try and alleviate COVID fatigue. Eventually we'll be able to liquidate it to an off-topic item, in the future, when it's not as prevalent. One hopes.

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The problem isn't the crossover of topics, it's people in authority positions believing they know what's best for people to hear.

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Originally Posted by GW11

The problem isn't the crossover of topics, it's people in authority positions believing they know what's best for people to hear.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Out of respect to OP please keep post directly related to rabies.
If you want to discuss covid and rabbies start another thread in the covid forum

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The problem with people is believing they know what's best for other people to hear.
As I stated this thread started on a discussion of rabies period.
Those that want to introduce covid discussion were instructed start a new discussion in the appropriate forum.
Censorship and personal opinion have no bearing as you are free to discuss at will as long its pertinent to the thread and in the right forum.
Had the Op posted this thread in the covid forum there would be no issue as it was posted in the off topic section have to follow the rules of that forum.

It'll be interesting to see how enforcement of the concept of only one topic per threat will last HaHa..

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

The problem with people is believing they know what's best for other people to hear.
As I stated this thread started on a discussion of rabies period.
Those that want to introduce covid discussion were instructed start a new discussion in the appropriate forum.
Censorship and personal opinion have no bearing as you are free to discuss at will as long its pertinent to the thread and in the right forum.
Had the Op posted this thread in the covid forum there would be no issue as it was posted in the off topic section have to follow the rules of that forum.

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So, tell us why you did not simply relocate the whole thread if in your humble opinion it was heading into the wrong direction instead of selectively deleting posts? It is routinely done so why the exception this time?

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

The problem with people is believing they know what's best for other people to hear.
As I stated this thread started on a discussion of rabies period.
Those that want to introduce covid discussion were instructed start a new discussion in the appropriate forum.
Censorship and personal opinion have no bearing as you are free to discuss at will as long its pertinent to the thread and in the right forum.
Had the Op posted this thread in the covid forum there would be no issue as it was posted in the off topic section have to follow the rules of that forum.

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Well I think you've decided to take on an awful lot by trying to keep every thread specifically on topic. Funny that you decided to take up that position on a thread about vaccines, almost like someone touched a nerve. Allowing personal bias to intrude when you're holding a position of authority is a very slippery slope.

Good luck with your endeavor and don't take it personally when we hold you to what you've stated here.

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As a mod I've been task to address concerns reported from members. I try my best to address them.

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Originally Posted by impact

So, tell us why you did not simply relocate the whole thread if in your humble opinion it was heading into the wrong direction instead of selectively deleting posts? It is routinely done so why the exception this time?

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Simply Op posted nothing about covid had he I'd simply move the thread over to the designated covid forum.

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Originally Posted by GW11

Well I think you've decided to take on an awful lot by trying to keep every thread specifically on topic. Funny that you decided to take up that position on a thread about vaccines, almost like someone touched a nerve. Allowing personal bias to intrude when you're holding a position of authority is a very slippery slope.

Good luck with your endeavor and don't take it personally when we hold you to what you've stated here.

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When reported I'll look into the matters and addrerss them the best I can.
Unfortunately no one else has stepped up to share the work

FFF... Seeing as I never started this thread, will you put your name on it as the thread starter please?

For the sake of good housekeeping.

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See how that works.
You expressed a concern a mod acted.

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Originally Posted by GW11

FFF... Seeing as I never started this thread, will you put your name on it as the thread starter please?

For the sake of good housekeeping.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

See how that works.
You expressed a concern a mod acted.

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Is there a 'topic' so we can try not to hijack the thread ?? :)

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Is there a 'topic' so we can try not to hijack the thread ?? :)

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If you like can start one I think Off topic is the place for that.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

If you like can start one I think Off topic is the place for that.

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This is in the Off Topic section, but the thread has no Topic...sort of like a Seinfeld episode...It's about nothing HaHa..

How about "Mods 'Covid Post' Banishment" HaHa..

My name is still on here as thread starter. Considering that housekeeping of thread topics is no concern of mine, I'd like that changed please.

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Moderating is not an exact science. For those of you who are critical of some decisions made by moderators, try it on for a bit. Its not as easy as it may appear.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Moderating is not an exact science. For those of you who are critical of some decisions made by moderators, try it on for a bit. Its not as easy as it may appear.

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Agreed. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you people. If you want 100% freedom of speech and no moderation then start your own damn forum.
Otherwise shut up and appreciate what we have here and the fact that some give their free time to keep it orderly.
Not everything is a fight for your freedoms

Must be technical difficulties, although it didn't seem too difficult to separate the threads and usher everything to the covid forum.

I edited the OP in caps to make it clearer, although it still appears I started a thread and said the mods did.

As for it being tough to moderate a forum, I imagine it's as tough as you make it on yourself. Leave personal bias out of it and it would be a bit easier.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

Agreed. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you people. If you want 100% freedom of speech and no moderation then start your own damn forum.
Otherwise shut up and appreciate what we have here and the fact that some give their free time to keep it orderly.
Not everything is a fight for your freedoms

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Speak for yourself, let it go a little bit at a time or pick a time and place to draw a line in the sand.

It's an off-topic, members only section seen by us few. There's no need to moderate it at all. Don't like what you read, don't read it.

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"Unfortunately no one else has stepped up to share the work. : quote FFF

I've been a mod here before and enjoyed it. Would love to step in and help out FFF, but couldn't take the abuse you take. Thank you for your work.

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Originally Posted by GW11

Must be technical difficulties, although it didn't seem too difficult to separate the threads and usher everything to the covid forum.

I edited the OP in caps to make it clearer, although it still appears I started a thread and said the mods did.

As for it being tough to moderate a forum, I imagine it's as tough as you make it on yourself. Leave personal bias out of it and it would be a bit easier.

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Well as the title states its been started by a MOD so everyone should be able to comprehend.
Tried to indulge you, tried to be couteous however doesn't seem to work so guess you force me take the hard line.
As per rule 17
17. Respect of the moderators and administrator's decisions and policies is a must.
It has been decided that the thread stand as is and any further discussion will be taken as a breech of this rule and acted on accordingly.

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Originally Posted by GW11

Speak for yourself, let it go a little bit at a time or pick a time and place to draw a line in the sand.

It's an off-topic, members only section seen by us few. There's no need to moderate it at all. Don't like what you read, don't read it.

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I do speak for myself and I also have respect for others and the tough job they do. I appreciate it and will save my tough guy fighting for where it will actually have an impact. FYI this forum isn’t it

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I do speak for myself and I also have respect for others and the tough job they do. I appreciate it and will save my tough guy fighting for where it will actually have an impact. FYI this forum isn’t it

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Really? Here I was thinking I could sort things out entirely right here on the OOD off topic section.

Thanks for the wise words friend-o.

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Agreed that moderating is a volunteer effort and should be appreciated and respected.

Still can’t imagine why a moderator would start a thread posing as someone else. Makes no sense to do it, and maintain it after repeated requests….

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Originally Posted by MikePal

It'll be interesting to see how enforcement of the concept of only one topic per threat will last HaHa..

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In my opinion that's the way it should be and should they desire the OP should be able to request to a mod that any posts not related to the topic at hand or trolls hijacking a thread be removed. That's the way it was in the very first outdoor forum I joined way back and I foolishly assumed that that was how forums worked. OFC still has an Non- Outdoors open discussion forum that works well but let me tell you many of the off topic threads here would be locked up immediately, trolls are not tolerated at all, they don't allow any political threads and even a long time hockey thread was locked up after some members got out of hand and a Leaf fan threatened to punch other members out lol. They do have a great cooking thread with 4.1K posts on it that's going on 6 years old now. We could use one here, I've thought about starting one here actually, it would real hard to troll that one.
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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Agreed that moderating is a volunteer effort and should be appreciated and respected.

Still can’t imagine why a moderator would start a thread posing as someone else. Makes no sense to do it, and maintain it after repeated requests….

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Sorry you are having trouble comprehending who started the thread,
The title of the thread states started by the Mod. Bit of a glich in the system that Id GW but should be clear enough who started it as I'm the only mod.

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In my opinion that's the way it should be and should they desire the OP should be able to request to a mod that any posts not related to the topic at hand or trolls hijacking a thread be removed. That's the way it was in the very first outdoor forum I joined way back and I foolishly assumed that that was how forums worked.

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Anyone who has sat at a table with a bunch of guys over a coffee or Barley Brew knows the conversation never stays on topic, it morphs, twists and continues to evolve for hours at a time. That is what conversation is. Discussion and opinions shared will always take twists and turns...as it should. Rules to prevent the natural flow of conversation will always be seen as censorship.

It should be no different on here, imagine an 'administrator' sitting at the end of the table constantly telling people to stay on topic. It will stifle the conversation and participation will drop if posts are constantly removed without just reasons being provided.

Trolls....as many have preached but few follow....just ignore them and deprive them of the attention they seek.

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It'll be interesting to see how enforcement of the concept of only one topic per threat will last HaHa..

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A bit odd to start enforcing this 15 years in. Is this in the rules of conduct?

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there are rules in place on this forum.

if your argument is freedom of speech sure say whatever you want. doesnt mean it wont be removed by the people who volunteer to mod this forum and who are enforcing the rules of the ones who created the forum.

if your argument is about he got his post moved or removed and he didnt, volunteer to be a mod to help them out. if im not mistaken theres 1 active mod on here and 1 active admin. if you think theyre going to catch everything youre sadly mistaken, thats nothing towards the mod and admin but just the lack of them.

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2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning.

3(a). Personal insults, inappropriate or offensive content, the incitement of violence, or disrupting behaviours, which are detrimental to discussions in the forum will not be tolerated.

In case you are uncertain as to what defines inappropriate content, a simple test is to ask yourself the following questions when you make a post:

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Please note that this also includes complaints about other forum users, question to site admin, etc. All comments of this nature are to be e-mailed to: [email protected]. As usual, we also encourage all users to immediately contact a moderator if and when they read an objectionable message or to use the report a thread option ( the exclamation mark icon on the left side below the user’s avatar and post count).

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there are rules in place on this forum.

if your argument is freedom of speech sure say whatever you want. doesnt mean it wont be removed by the people who volunteer to mod this forum and who are enforcing the rules of the ones who created the forum.

if your argument is about he got his post moved or removed and he didnt, volunteer to be a mod to help them out. if im not mistaken theres 1 active mod on here and 1 active admin. if you think theyre going to catch everything youre sadly mistaken, thats nothing towards the mod and admin but just the lack of them.

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Depends what side of the fence you swing from Bowjob. It wasn't so long ago the arson of churches, railways was spoke about on here by certain members as justified along with the defacing and destruction of historical sights and statues. Would seem for a certain group on here there is no isssue justifying and supporting hate crimes while others are suspended for such acts.

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Depends what side of the fence you swing from Bowjob. It wasn't so long ago the arson of churches, railways was spoke about on here by certain members as justified along with the defacing and destruction of historical sights and statues. Would seem for a certain group on here there is no isssue justifying and supporting hate crimes while others are suspended for such acts.

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Fair enough, there's also members here who slander others and stir the pot more often than not when others don't agree with them but they're still here. So I get what your saying.

At the end of the day its up to the mods and admins.

You could always put a complaint in via email if some of you are that upset.

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The following rules will be enforced. Violation will lead to temporary or permanent expulsion from the site.

1. Any discussion and promotion of illegal actives or information that is deliberately misleading or any discussion of activities that are in violation of the Fish and Hunting regulations as set forth by the Ontario Ministry of Natural resources.

2. Controversial, religious or political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative will be removed without warning.

3(a). Personal insults, inappropriate or offensive content, the incitement of violence, or disrupting behaviours, which are detrimental to discussions in the forum will not be tolerated.

In case you are uncertain as to what defines inappropriate content, a simple test is to ask yourself the following questions when you make a post:

A) Is this message outdoor-related? (with the exception of the Off Topic forum)
B) Is this message something that most members would like to read?
C) Does this message add value to this forum?
D) Is this something I would say to a person face-to-face?

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Please note that this also includes complaints about other forum users, question to site admin, etc. All comments of this nature are to be e-mailed to: [email protected]. As usual, we also encourage all users to immediately contact a moderator if and when they read an objectionable message or to use the report a thread option ( the exclamation mark icon on the left side below the user’s avatar and post count).

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there are rules in place on this forum.

if your argument is freedom of speech sure say whatever you want. doesnt mean it wont be removed by the people who volunteer to mod this forum and who are enforcing the rules of the ones who created the forum.

if your argument is about he got his post moved or removed and he didnt, volunteer to be a mod to help them out. if im not mistaken theres 1 active mod on here and 1 active admin. if you think theyre going to catch everything youre sadly mistaken, thats nothing towards the mod and admin but just the lack of them.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Anyone who has sat at a table with a bunch of guys over a coffee or Barley Brew knows the conversation never stays on topic, it morphs, twists and continues to evolve for hours at a time. That is what conversation is. Discussion and opinions shared will always take twists and turns...as it should. Rules to prevent the natural flow of conversation will always be seen as censorship.

It should be no different on here, imagine an 'administrator' sitting at the end of the table constantly telling people to stay on topic. It will stifle the conversation and participation will drop if posts are constantly removed without just reasons being provided.

Trolls....as many have preached but few follow....just ignore them and deprive them of the attention they seek.

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Mike that's why I said "should the OP desire" and a mod would have to agree. Sure some threads take twists and turns as a normal course but I'm talking about when threads get hijacked and taken totally off course on purpose by those just looking to stir the pot.

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Mike that's why I said "should the OP desire" and a mod would have to agree. Sure some threads take twists and turns as a normal course but I'm talking about when threads get hijacked and taken totally off course on purpose by those just looking to stir the pot.

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I look at 'Trolling' (stirring the pot) as a whole different thing than Hijacking and understand that is why they have separate rules for them. Hijacking is steering a topic of course by changing the topic. Trolling is posting antagonistic nonsense to instigate an argument, which leads to the thread losing any value and it gets locked down.

Where as, going off-topic usually causes the thread to go down the Rabbit hole and ends up who knows where but everyone has had a good time getting there...including the OP. Haha.

edit add: In this particular case Joe was talking about Rabies Vaccine and it morphed into comments about vaccines in general. The MOD apparently took it upon himself to remove comments not related to Rabies..or...because they were Covid related.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I look at 'Trolling' (stirring the pot) as a whole different thing than Hijacking and understand that is why they have separate rules for them. Hijacking is steering a topic of course by changing the topic. Trolling is posting antagonistic nonsense to instigate an argument, which leads to the thread losing any value and it gets locked down.

Where as, going off-topic usually causes the threat to go down the Rabbit hole and ends up who knows where but everyone has had a good time getting there...including the OP. Haha.

edit add: In this particular case Joe was talking about Rabies Vaccine and it morphed into comments about vaccines in general. The MOD apparently took it upon himself to remove comments not related to Rabies..or...because they were Covid related.

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What actually happened was a report was file requiring that I look into the thread. I reviewed the thread inwhich Joe was talking specifically about Raibes Vaccine. The thread was immediately hijacked steering the topic off course by changing the topic to a Covid discussion.
To get it back on tract yes I removed the covid comments with the encouragement for those that wanted to discuss covid/rabbies to start a thread in the designated forum for such discussion.
Thus allowing those who wanted to continue on the Covid tract to discuss further whereas those who did not could carry on the rabies discussion.
Compromise is aking to respect for me atleast.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Moderating is not an exact science. For those of you who are critical of some decisions made by moderators, try it on for a bit. Its not as easy as it may appear.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

Agreed. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you people. If you want 100% freedom of speech and no moderation then start your own damn forum.
Otherwise shut up and appreciate what we have here and the fact that some give their free time to keep it orderly.
Not everything is a fight for your freedoms

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Best comments so far.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

What actually happened was a report was file requiring that I look into the thread. I reviewed the thread inwhich Joe was talking specifically about Raibes Vaccine. The thread was immediately hijacked steering the topic off course by changing the topic to a Covid discussion.
To get it back on tract yes I removed the covid comments with the encouragement for those that wanted to discuss covid/rabbies to start a thread in the designated forum for such discussion.
Thus allowing those who wanted to continue on the Covid tract to discuss further whereas those who did not could carry on the rabies discussion.
Compromise is aking to respect for me atleast.

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Sorry-but all in all,it seems more as a censorship then moderating. No offence.
On a top-encouraging bleeding hearts to snitch(while it is their right-magnitude of the"offence"should be taken in consideration)is outright sad.

At the end-even the LEOs assess on occasion the culprit, to decide course of action.
I do not see here ,why anyone would need to "challenge"a long standing ,level headed and contributing member (who happened to be even" put to a spot" by posting in his name)with not much "guilt"other then having different opinion on COVID, different then the "flavor of the year" dictates.

Never did moderating,and never will.
Must be hard.

But-being impartial and objective should not be.........yet being persistent with the decision for posting in another persons name(regardless if it is "highlighted")is weird at best.

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Sorry you are having trouble comprehending who started the thread,
The title of the thread states started by the Mod. Bit of a glich in the system that Id GW but should be clear enough who started it as I'm the only mod.

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........yet being persistent with the decision for posting in another persons name(regardless if it is "highlighted")is weird at best.

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No offence but already stated its a system glich. Can't be clear who started the thread unless its intentional not to comprehend.
In anycase thread is closed as no longer needed