Ductless heating system

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May 2nd, 2021, 12:16 PM
greatwhite

Ductless heating system

So last fall I had installed a ductless heating system. I went with the LG model 24000 BTU and two heads, 1 for the basement and one for upstairs. I went with the system below. This system is rated for -26 C (-13 F) but under tests at my friends place his did not shut down until he hit -30 C and his an older untill then mine. The system can heat and cool, we haven't tried the cooling yet but will find out this summer. The heating worked as expected. We had no problems heating but the coldest it got here was about -25 C one or two nights. We primarily used it on days above -10 as there was no real point lighting a fire as well on the cold night if the fire went out I didn't bother to get up in the middle of the night.

How much did it cost to run. Well for me about the cost of a face cord. The warmer months Dec, March and April about 100 bucks for the month instead of having a fire, which normally I would have burned 1 face cord anyways.

https://www.ecomfort.com/LG-L2L24W12120000/p79057.html

https://www.ecomfort.com/LG-L2L24W12120000/p79057.html
May 2nd, 2021, 02:19 PM
js4fn

I have the same before the mini heat pump April would need fire in the house with windows open

Your going to love Ac side of it mine works great cheap to run also
May 2nd, 2021, 04:11 PM
WillieBeno

My buddy installed one in the fall (small house no basement) he ran it all winter as primary heat and figured it cost him $100 a month. Before that he used electric heaters at $200 a month, he couldn't be happier with it and is looking forward to the air con in the summer. I don't remember it getting colder than -28 here this winter either.
May 2nd, 2021, 05:36 PM
greatwhite

My Buddy loves his so much (he installed it himself), he's going to try one of the no name brands for his workshop. I did some research on them and the seem to have good reviews. He will probably save a lot of money vs using the construction heater, which he figures is running him 250 a month in Jan to keep the place at less then 10 degrees.

https://senville.ca/?gclid=CjwKCAjwm...BoCkIEQAvD_BwE
May 2nd, 2021, 06:14 PM
WillieBeno

Might be good for cooling off an early bow season deer.
May 3rd, 2021, 02:29 PM
gunter

If you love this you should look at the Hybreed hot water tank made by Rheem a little expensive but big savings.
Also you are able to duct the cooling into any room.
Its a heat pump read info attached.

https://www.rheem.ca/innovations/inn...hybridsavings/

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

So last fall I had installed a ductless heating system. I went with the LG model 24000 BTU and two heads, 1 for the basement and one for upstairs. I went with the system below. This system is rated for -26 C (-13 F) but under tests at my friends place his did not shut down until he hit -30 C and his an older untill then mine. The system can heat and cool, we haven't tried the cooling yet but will find out this summer. The heating worked as expected. We had no problems heating but the coldest it got here was about -25 C one or two nights. We primarily used it on days above -10 as there was no real point lighting a fire as well on the cold night if the fire went out I didn't bother to get up in the middle of the night.

How much did it cost to run. Well for me about the cost of a face cord. The warmer months Dec, March and April about 100 bucks for the month instead of having a fire, which normally I would have burned 1 face cord anyways.

https://www.ecomfort.com/LG-L2L24W12120000/p79057.html

https://www.ecomfort.com/LG-L2L24W12120000/p79057.html
May 3rd, 2021, 03:58 PM
greatwhite

Can't seem to find a place that sells them. This would be something I can install myself but I can't seem to find where I could buy one. I know my buddy would probably be interested
May 4th, 2021, 12:05 PM
gunter

Thats the problem that im having also.
A friend of mine that works in the Hvac bussiness said he can get me now around $2100.
$1449 over the border.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Pe...45U0/312742081

If and when the border opens up im making a trip to pick one up.
I believe it works out cheeper to pick one up from the States.
We are also aloud 800 per person after 2 days so its in the plans.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Can't seem to find a place that sells them. This would be something I can install myself but I can't seem to find where I could buy one. I know my buddy would probably be interested
May 4th, 2021, 12:37 PM
greatwhite

When my Buddy installed his Heat Pump he had an inside contact to get the system. Once we go it we installed it ourselves, I didn't feel like doing it by myself, so I paid a fella I knew and still mange to get it 4000+ cheaper than what anyplace in Ottawa was offering.

In Ontario many of these companies will not sell to you as the Unions have told them if they do they won't do business with them anymore.

Some people think it is illegal for you to install it yourself which is wrong it isn't illegal, If I had not found someone to do it for a reasonable price I was going to go to the US and buy it.

Funny in Canada companies refuse to even give you a price or information unless you let them send a sales person out.
In the US if I have questions I just call them and they will tell me whatever I want to know.

I find many Canadian companies in general do not want to do business unless they have an opportunity to rip you off.

I will be buying roofing tin from the US as soon as this Covid is over we can travel there again.

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Originally Posted by gunter

Thats the problem that im having also.
A friend of mine that works in the Hvac bussiness said he can get me now around $2100.
$1449 over the border.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Pe...45U0/312742081

If and when the border opens up im making a trip to pick one up.
I believe it works out cheeper to pick one up from the States.
We are also aloud 800 per person after 2 days so its in the plans.
May 4th, 2021, 03:28 PM
gunter

I agree 100%.
If you have the knowledge and can do it your self there is no law against it.
Thats the only way you get to leave a big chunk in your pocket.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

When my Buddy installed his Heat Pump he had an inside contact to get the system. Once we go it we installed it ourselves, I didn't feel like doing it by myself, so I paid a fella I knew and still mange to get it 4000+ cheaper than what anyplace in Ottawa was offering.

In Ontario many of these companies will not sell to you as the Unions have told them if they do they won't do business with them anymore.

Some people think it is illegal for you to install it yourself which is wrong it isn't illegal, If I had not found someone to do it for a reasonable price I was going to go to the US and buy it.

Funny in Canada companies refuse to even give you a price or information unless you let them send a sales person out.
In the US if I have questions I just call them and they will tell me whatever I want to know.

I find many Canadian companies in general do not want to do business unless they have an opportunity to rip you off.

I will be buying roofing tin from the US as soon as this Covid is over we can travel there again.
May 4th, 2021, 03:55 PM
impact

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Originally Posted by gunter

I agree 100%.
If you have the knowledge and can do it your self there is no law against it.
Thats the only way you get to leave a big chunk in your pocket.

No law in DIY however, insurance companies don't play nice and dig deep.
My son is a licensed HVAC-R mechanic and sometimes gets called to sign off on jobs exactly for that reason.
He points out the mistakes and makes sure the job is brought up to code otherwise he does not affix a tag with his TSSA number on it.
May 4th, 2021, 05:00 PM
WillieBeno

I believe the warranty on the unit is void if not installed by a licensed HVAC tech.
May 4th, 2021, 05:27 PM
greatwhite

That is correct. My buddy is an electrical engineer and probably know more about the enteral workings then any technician. He doesn't really have a house he has a bedroom, bathroom and kitchen the rest is a electrical shop where he experiments with building electrical stuff and his new sideline is artificial intelligence, he has a shop we also built which is now a mini machine shop, the only thing he still wants is a metal lathe.
I told him if I have to help set that up I want to cases of beer and he can build me new racks for my ATV's and a canoe rack.

Not really sure why he just likes making things for fun.

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

I believe the warranty on the unit is void if not installed by a licensed HVAC tech.
June 6th, 2021, 03:28 PM
greatwhite

Well thought I would update this now with the hot weather and we are using the heat pump for air conditioning and it works great.

The heating / cooling unit is in the kitchen but with the bedroom doors open everything is nicely cool.

Yes I love the unit and it is the first year we have something close to central air.

Mean while I am in the garage sweating. Maybe I will put a portable air conditioner in the garage.
June 6th, 2021, 05:08 PM
js4fn

If your garage is tight just a dehumidifier works wonders.
June 6th, 2021, 06:33 PM
impact

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yes I love the unit and it is the first year we have something close to central air.

Mean while I am in the garage sweating. Maybe I will put a portable air conditioner in the garage.

You know what my HVAC son and I did to stay cool today?
We went fishing on Muskrat lake in Cobden this morning. Caught a few pikes. Cool breeze off the lake at 69 F.
Then we spent the afternoon in the pool at home with some brewskies..
The Canadian way!....lol

This evening? Central air in the house...lol
June 6th, 2021, 06:48 PM
greatwhite

Yeah I was suppose to go to the range but didn't get up in time this morning.

Was also suppose to go camping but I cancelled as it was going to rain up there I chose correctly it rained.

Going camping either June 11 or the 18th not sure yet.

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Originally Posted by impact

You know what my HVAC son and I did to stay cool today?
We went fishing on Muskrat lake in Cobden this morning. Caught a few pikes. Cool breeze off the lake at 69 F.
Then we spent the afternoon in the pool at home with some brewskies..
The Canadian way!....lol

This evening? Central air in the house...lol
April 30th, 2023, 05:53 PM
73hunter

So GW….(and anyone else who has one)…a few seasons in and are you still happy with the unit ?

How many watts would one of those units run ?

Government and Hydro One are really pushing these…..
April 30th, 2023, 06:28 PM
greatwhite

I love mine. It cost me an average 120 a month to heat with it, which is cheaper then firewood if I had to pay for wood, but I get mine free. In my case I generally run the wood stove if it goes below -10C but it rarely went that low this winter, so I didn't burn much wood.
My son works these days with two part time jobs so he rarely had time to put a fire on.

Mine is the LG model and is rated for -26C. It went as low as -31C here twice and my fire went out around 2 AM and the pump was humming away. Still not as nice as wood heat.

Cooling wise it's dirt cheap probably cost me an average of 30 bucks a month at most.

My Unit is 24000 BTU and I have one head in the basement at 12000 BTU and one up stairs 12000 BTU. The one up stairs is not in the best location to push heat down the hallway but it works. I could add a third ceiling head of 8000 BTU but were never cold hot air rises from the basement.

However they really mark up the units here in Ontario and I got mine at cost and had a friend purchase it install it so I could have the warranty. It took one day to install in total and my friend still made a decent profit. I paid 10500.00 all in. A company in Kemptville was going to charge me close to 17K. Tried to claim it would take 2 or 3 days to install (it doesn't).

My house is 1200 sq ft + 1200 basement.

I also replaced all of our windows the past 3 years and one door, which I think probably made a bug difference in the basement. The basement only had single pane sliding windows with gaps.

The system is 240 volt. I thought I had enough room in the electrical box but didn't so I had to buy a sub panel.
April 30th, 2023, 07:59 PM
hunter06

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

My buddy installed one in the fall (small house no basement) he ran it all winter as primary heat and figured it cost him $100 a month. Before that he used electric heaters at $200 a month, he couldn't be happier with it and is looking forward to the air con in the summer. I don't remember it getting colder than -28 here this winter either.

Was a mild winter, we got one day -40 before wind chill
May 1st, 2023, 06:23 PM
73hunter

Glad you got something that works well for you and your household, an authentic success story helps to validate the amount of promotion that these things are getting.

I was wondering about the wattage that these units consume in the context of what kind of backup power you’d need in the event of an outage. You have a woodstove for winter heat but many (most) do not. Our village was out of power for 120 hours after the derecho last May….if we lost power for that time period in February it would be quite a problem for a lot of people if they didn’t have any other source of home heating.
May 1st, 2023, 06:44 PM
SongDog

Interesting thread. I've been debating about getting one of these for a while now. Probably will now lol
May 1st, 2023, 06:57 PM
greatwhite

Mine used a 25 amp breaker