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Hi Joe - do you think that is too severe or not severe enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
My thoughts are that it was not intentional so not murder. But it was negligence and a man died because of it - so manslaughter would make sense to me.
Then compare what happened to this - https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-r...-ashli-babbitt
I don't know - was she negligent or reckless - or was it just a plain simple accident - if I was on the jury and knowing that the guy that got killed was partly responsible for what happened I'd give her a break - not guiltyQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Okay - I see the inconsistency. I still think the charges in Minneapolis were appropriate based the the US legal definition of manslaughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The shooting on capitol hill - that's different - it was intentional and it's hard to understand why a murder charge wasn't laid. Possibly because the victim was white, but more likely because she was a Trump supporter.
When it comes to cars and firearms, there aren't "accidents".Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
In Canada, we don't factor the victims actions in too much. I thought the US was much the same.
How we feel and the legal reality of the situation are often different.
This news item wouldn't be a blip in a newspaper if the guy was white. Now they have to make an example of this officer just to keep the rioting at a minimal.
Down here the actions of the victim has a big bearing on what happens - if the victim breaks into a house and is shot or if some drunk runs out into a major highway and gets run over most likely no charges will be made - you can see how things are heading down here across the border - as long as the rioters and looters stick to their own neighborhoods not much will change - but if they start going out into the suburbs and country side they will be met with gun fire big time - I use to say that all is quiet on the southern front - can't say that anymore -
From his earlier encounter with law enforcement, you don't suppose this kid was profiled as trouble waiting to happen, and this instant was simply an effort to nip things in the bud. I check out the Tasers they use they're yellow, she was pointing her black service pistol, if she yelling 'Taser, Taser,' I suspect it was for any recording device that might have been recording. She knew full well what she was aiming at the kid and it wasn't a Taser. If this was a profiling thing the chief might have some tricky questions to handle, which he maybe trying to avoid by tendering his resignations.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
You make a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn't there. Join the crowd of naysayers. Yelling taser prior to deploying the unit seems to be protocol in most police agencies and its not for the benefit of a camera as you assume. You say she knew full well she was aiming her service weapon and not a taser? And you know this how??? I figure in the heat of the moment she ended up with tunnel vision and that would account for not recognizing she had a pistol and not a taser in her hand. But I wasn't there either.
Their Tasers are yellow in colour what the video show was her with her black pistol in hand. Even if she is colour blind there is going to be a remarkable difference in the colour of the object she had in hand. I check to see what Tasers the police used in that area before commenting. They are a nice bright yellow. You'd have to have both eyes closed or blind not to realize what you have in hand. I'm sure her Taser, Taser, thing may been for any off camera audience. The chief resigning, for what reason? There had to be something amiss, he didn't pull the trigger she did, he could have simply apologized for the officer's mistake an let it go at that, but he went well beyond that. That suggested to me there was something to cover up, that is what raised my suspicion about the kid having been profiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow ols because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
I think that because they were breaking in and trying to get to the sitting senators to lynch them it would probably be considered justifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
^^^^This^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Finally a sensible post ! Obviously some here have no idea what “tunnel vision “ is.....as previously posted, had this person been of another race, there wouldn’t be any mention of it by the media. MSM is making everything about race, to fan the flames !!! This guy had an arrest warrant for armed robbery, resisted arrest, assaulted an officer in that resistance.
I think for Capitol Hill, the shooting was justified. They was a mob that was about to breach the inner chambers of their House ... if that wasn't the time to shoot, then when is? We'd basically be saying just take away all guns from police, because there is no justifiable reason to shoot, and allow people to do anything ... let chaos rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
For this particular case ... this is a charge, perhaps necessary to ensure this goes through the courts and the case is scrutinized. Hopefully, justice will be served correctly ... and I'm not on any side ... the deceased was doing bad stuff ... put himself in that situation ... the cop needs to now justify the error ... we should not pass judgement until all the evidence and arguments are heard.
Yep,all that,besides the fact he had a warrant for his involvement in an armed robbery. Having said that,I can't imagine how a 26 year veteran mistakes a Taser for her service weapon when the Taser is a different color,has half the weight and was carried on the opposite side of her service belt. What kind of a colossal brain fart was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Brain fart for sure! One would have to look into their training....or lack thereof. This is not a new issue, it has happened before. There would be a whole host of questions that will need to be addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Observations from the bodycam video.
No sound of gunfire.
No visible flash or recoil.
No sign of impact.
No immediate pursuit.
She drops the gun on the ground?
One movie two storylines. IMO
I see what You are saying-but ,what is the alternate side of Your theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
She pulled out the gun to shoot the kid? Shoot to kill!
In front of so many body cameras?
Hardly believable(unless she was "suicidal" or "legally insane")
She was also apparently a "training officer" they might have to look back at her trainees and get them re trained.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Biggest problem I see in the U.S. and here now is that officers seem very afraid to get into a boxing match with suspects, I had score's of fights with suspect's and when I joined I was the smallest and lightest guy in my division, 5 11,1/2 and 160 lbs .Hardly a week went by that I did not have a foot chase and a fight of some kind. One of my tactics I used was to let them run for 1/4 to 1/2 mile and then found it pretty easy to subdue them. A big strong fight like hell suspect who might wrestle with two officer's and not want to get handcuffed found himself/herself leg cuffed, not a lot you can do to continue resisting if you have both legs cuffed at the ankles. This was before the days of pepper spray and Tasers. I never did use my pepper spray when it came out as there was just to much danger you got a doze of it yourself, a suspect kicking out the back window of a scout car if you sprayed them it would be considered excessive force and in any case you contaminate the car.
Nothing wrong with a good old foot chase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Catch me if you can lol. Never once did I ever run when a dog was present I'm not stupid lol.
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Let's say it was her training that kick in, the last law enforcement individual I talk to about such matters said, when it comes to using their gun the primary point of focus is the center of mass. That suggest as well, she knew she was pointing her gun not a Taser. The fact that the body cameras were rolling, lead to her excuse she thought she was using her Taser. She was neither suicidal or legally insane, she was on a mission and used the Taser mistake as an excuse hoping the matter would slide, perhaps being a female might play into it as well, but I don't think passing it off as a dumb blonde mistake is going to fly. Not with her years of experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Pretty common in the old day's down in the States for officers to have handy a "throw away piece" in case they shot a suspect who was actually unarmed, today with trace DNA and so forth and camera's this probably does not happen to often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Well I'll tell you something - a lot of what's going on with police today is partly their own fault - for years some cop would violate a person's rights while the so called good cops would stand around and not stop what was going on - and when someone complained about the action a cop took the other cops would support him and he would get away with it - then came the cameras and people started filming what some cops were doing to citizens - that changed the ball game - it took awhile for some cops to realize that they can't continue to act the way they were used to - being a cop requires the recognition that citizens have rights and must be treated as such - I use to get on you-tube and type in police harassment or police brutality and see what some cops did - made me mad for sure -
Very true Joe there are bad COPS and Good Cops, its hard to speak up when you work in a police sub culture and its a them against us mentality. If there is systemic racism in a Police service and its supported by management its even more difficult.
Thanx for the reply GN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
I do not want to stretch this any further.
However - i fail to see the motive.
There wouldn't be any difference in using a sidearm or taser when it comes to aim point. It would always be body mass. Head shots, intentional wounding, taking out shoulders or legs only takes place in movies.
What I was taught about tunnel vision is that everything closes in and turns gray. Not the same as the tunnel vision here where the officer is automatically guilty of intentionally taking the guys life.
Fist fight is one thing, were you not worried about getting stabbed or slashed ? ya never know what someone has tucked awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You would think nobody here has ever had "buck fever" and that's for nothing more than a deer! Change out the deer with a known criminal, possibly armed....Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
I've seen guys shake so bad they can't load a shotgun when they have a flight of ducks coming in. Lol
Certainly not a stretch to have this mistake made given the level of training police get now.
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What you say about tunnel vision and everything going gray When they do up deer decoys, in many case all the white areas on the decoy on the head and neck are coloured hunter orange, and when the deer views it through their eyes they apparently see gray. Which brings me to my point, when you are using a scope or electronic (red dot) sight wouldn't that effectively result in a form of tunnel vision when you focused on a deer decoy? So the only one who are not likely to mistake a deer decoy for the real thing would be those using open sights. I wonder how many of those hunter orange look a likes get shoot at.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Sure I was worried but its a risk inherent in the job, I have been attacked with a ice pick, a hammer, had a gun tossed by a fleeing suspect, been spat on, been slapped in the face. Its all part of "dancing with the devil" Cops and criminals know exactly what that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Sounds like a Good Friday night! Unless guys have been there, not just listening to the news, they have no idea what the job is/was like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy