'NO' vote by the Conservative delegates may have cost O'toole the next Election

Pains me to say it, but the Conservatives may have just sunk their chance for a Win in the the next election.

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Efforts to enshrine the reality of climate change in official Conservative party policy failed this weekend, marking a blow to Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole's efforts to position his party as serious on environmental issues.
Though the party's policy declaration already contains a lengthy section on that subject, 54 per cent of delegates voted against expanding it to include the sentence "we recognize that climate change is real. The Conservative Party is willing to act."

O'Toole had said as much to delegates in a speech Friday night, saying the debate on the reality of climate change must end because it is real.

"I will not allow 338 candidates to defend against the lie from the Liberals that we are a party of climate change deniers," he said. "We will have a plan to address climate change. It will be comprehensive, and it will be serious."

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The Climate Change movement, however misguided, is a very large block of voters in key ridings. The Liberals will play this up and make it very difficult for the Conservatives to gain any new ground.

The fact is though, if you read the reason they did not Vote to enshrine the words"we recognize that climate change is real" they are not wrong. It's unfortunately is purely an issue of optics.

read their reasoning:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/speakers-c...160025948.html

Not good.
It’s a small thing a long the lines of voting to say China is engaging in genocide. Just words and optics.

However voters in key swing ridings won’t see it that way. And have double standards.

Definitely a topic where they could afford to pay lip service, play the game, lie through their teeth, blow a ton of hot stinking methane gas, and promise one thing, then do nothing.

My spidey sense has kicked into overdrive. I know that Pierre chose not to run for the Cons leadership due to "family reasons" but maybe he was waiting for an opportune time. Change is in the air? (not climate).
The support he is getting from the population in general is simply overwhelming. He has all the optics in his favour.
It would not take very long for him to take control as a leader and become our next PM.

Wishful thinking on my part and thousands of others?
A man for the people without any pretension.
He certainly has my vote. The others, not so much.

https://i.imgur.com/4eW05Fo.jpg

Impact, I agree. If Pierre was leading the party, he'd win by a landslide.

And why O'toole removed him from a portfolio where he had access to the masses on TV every day.

Doesn't appear to have slowed Pierre down too much..he knows how to use social media and has a huge following that O'Toole doesn't have.

If PP were the leader.

How would he have handled Sloan and the RTL and So Cons. Would this vote have gone any differently?

PP is in favour of fast tracking infrastructure, expansion of our Energy sector, and unleashing manufacturing etc.

All things we agree on.
How’s that working for Ford? Who can’t get squat done for fear of the resistance and pissing off certain groups? The reality is, despite oh so much. JT is still popular.

O’Tool is trying to walk the line to peel votes away from the liberals. He’s speech was a solid attempt at that. His attempts to soften the language, dial back the Sloan/Gallant rhetoric and win the ridings needed to carry the conservatives to victory just got slapped down. I’d agree with Mike and the OP. The membership just lost it for him. If PP take a shot at the leadership after O’Tool, it will be same. Until the conservatives can appeal to the voters in the ridings needed to win, it’s going to be status quo. The party has the chance, but if they don’t give the leader the tools he needs, how can you expect a different outcome?

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

O’Tool is trying to walk the line to peel votes away from the liberals. He’s speech was a solid attempt at that. His attempts to soften the language, dial back the Sloan/Gallant rhetoric and win the ridings needed to carry the conservatives to victory just got slapped down. I’d agree with Mike and the OP. The membership just lost it for him. If PP take a shot at the leadership after O’Tool, it will be same. Until the conservatives can appeal to the voters in the ridings needed to win, it’s going to be status quo. The party has the chance, but if they don’t give the leader the tools he needs, how can you expect a different outcome?

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It’s good that the party does not want to emulate the liberal hypocrisy, but at what cost ?? Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

O’Tool is trying to walk the line to peel votes away from the liberals. He’s speech was a solid attempt at that. His attempts to soften the language,

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In doing so he's trying to make the Conservatives more palatable to the fence sitters....unfortunately until the Liberals are basically thrown out of office...he will never win support of the environmentalists.

He'd be better off going after their Leadership. Push hard till the Village Idiot becomes unpalatable to the Liberal Party faithfull.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

In doing so he's trying to make the Conservatives more palatable to the fence sitters....unfortunately until the Liberals are basically thrown out of office...he will never win support of the environmentalists.

He'd be better off going after their Leadership. Push hard till the Village Idiot becomes unpalatable to the Liberal Party faithfull.

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Well if he isn't unpalatable after the ethics violations, waste of taxpayer money, interfering with RCMP and ethics investigations, lies about ethics, Jody W.R., SNC, WE, firearms etc. etc., his treatment of vets and women....

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

Let's look...
"One proposal from the electoral district association of Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier in Quebec would have had the party declare that “climate change is real” and that “the Conservative Party is willing to act.”
“We believe that Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility in implementing measures that will reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and need to be accountable for the results,” the proposal read."


Now as for the climate change, the proposal is an ideologues statement and ignores the real world and needs of the people and the environment itself. We had snow in the southern US, a warm spring here (so far) and if you can read a basic graph of climate, duh it does change but that's not what the proposal would mean! It looks like a red fake Conservative and another Quebecer attack on oil... guess they like that Saudi stuff better or are like this guy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po


Anyway, there are those that talk about doing something about environmental damage (left and greens) and those that have the integrity and are actually willing to work or do something (usually NOT the left). We have snow in Alabama, the skies seem bluer.... could it be air traffic reductions? Should be interesting to see what 2020/21 shows if there is a study regarding that data.
https://phys.org/news/2019-06-climat...contrails.html

Making huge all encompassing statements but doing nothing but virtue signalling... that's the Liberal way! We should have Energy East instead of sending money over seas but Quebec was the issue and the PM and his minions took up making the barrier impassible so it seems voting against that farce proposal was the best thing! Those that think we should be accountable, energy independent and encourage Canadian economic concerns should be able to see the reality, and those that don't probably had their heads up their .... looking for an excuse to continue the corruption anyway.

Putting that in and the accountability part is just a way of making the Conservatives more green and like gangrene those policies are not beneficial at all. Canada needs a healthy future and that includes environment, economy, health and a change in government from the current failures!

Justlied Trudeau #WorstPMEver !!!

Climate change is real but what triggered the last big warming trends.

It wasn't the people or the big companies but it still warmed up and melted the ice caps.

How do you control the outcome of the planet? How do we stop the awakening of volcanoes that lay dormant for hundreds or thousands of years ? If the earth warmed up before man how does the man fix it ?

Additional taxes can stop it we need to work together and everyone must play a part . Not just being taxed .

I didn't vote for o tool and I am wondering if I will vote for him in the next election. Still undecided I know I want the libtards out.

Who runs a country without a budget ? 2 years without a budget the Liberals think they balance themselves so I guess there is no point in one.

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Originally Posted by impact

My spidey sense has kicked into overdrive. I know that Pierre chose not to run for the Cons leadership due to "family reasons" but maybe he was waiting for an opportune time. Change is in the air? (not climate).
The support he is getting from the population in general is simply overwhelming. He has all the optics in his favour.
It would not take very long for him to take control as a leader and become our next PM.

Wishful thinking on my part and thousands of others?
A man for the people without any pretension.
He certainly has my vote. The others, not so much.

https://i.imgur.com/4eW05Fo.jpg

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Is the pub behind you open? I was in Ottawa 2 weeks ago and all their windows were boarded over (plywood). The market was slowly coming to life.

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Originally Posted by impact

My spidey sense has kicked into overdrive. I know that Pierre chose not to run for the Cons leadership due to "family reasons" but maybe he was waiting for an opportune time. Change is in the air? (not climate).
The support he is getting from the population in general is simply overwhelming. He has all the optics in his favour.
It would not take very long for him to take control as a leader and become our next PM.

Wishful thinking on my part and thousands of others?
A man for the people without any pretension.
He certainly has my vote. The others, not so much.

https://i.imgur.com/4eW05Fo.jpg

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Pierre IS the guy ... period. He needs to step up, if he really cares for this country.

Interview with Mad Max on O'Toole at the 4Min mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a05I2pnBg8