Mandatory Hotel Quarantine when returning to Canada

I am glad Justin finally is putting his money where his mouth is. It only took him a year to figure this out, but hey.........the guy was a just a drama teacher, not like he was a rocket scientist or anything close.

I was watching the news and I got a giggle from some of the entitled snowbirds scrambling to get back to Canada. Funny but all these years we have been labeling Millenials as being entitled whiners but when push comes to shove the Boomers are easily winning that title. I cannot wait to see all the airport hissy fit film clips that will come out over the next several weeks.

Live track of planes in the air - https://flightaware.com/live/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ckly-1.5290205

Some of them did plan to extend their stay

It's good to finally restrict the airlines now there next step need to figure out what they will be doing with the hospital's. There will be another wave this fall and we can't keep closing the hospital for covid.

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Boomers certainly are at the root of a lot.

Snowbirds I don’t mind so much. Some or many have health things like arthritis that make our winters hard. I’m not close to 60 and I feel the cold, far more than I did when 40.......

But if they get stuck there. Sick there, whatever. If they have to endure forced isolation for 3 weeks when they land.

Too bad, you made choices.

Rules that, "could be coming soon"..
No need to rush it's been a free4all for the last year with air travel. Like does it really even matter anymore?..

Some of you are OK with the new restrictions imposed by the Plandemic.
They are slowly rolling out further restrictions.

It will be an eye opener for all when they tighten the noose even further.
So far, they are right on schedule.
Remember, JT has already hinted at it.
Nice of them to have a crystal ball into the future, isn't it?

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:
- Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
- Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
- Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
- Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 - early January 2021
- Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
- Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
- Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 - Q2 2021.
- Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
- Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
- Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
- Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

Impact

I'm not down for tighter restrictions . But the way I see if your going to close down small businesses and then leaving the airport is just dumb lol.

They say it's to keep the other variants out but they will happen regardless . Plus they are already here so seems a little late.

Kind of silly to shut down small businesses and have the airlines open.

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Impact
Kind of silly to shut down small businesses and have the airlines open.
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Yup, should have shut the airlines down coming and going a year ago.

Always more than one way to look at a topic. Normally a few.

By throwing small businesses, hospitality, and the lower middle class under the bus.
How many years might it be, before the masses, the greater number of people, even consider booking flights given bank accounts.... for vacations again...................................

Whereas had they shut down travel ( most forms) from the get go......

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Yup, should have shut the airlines down coming and going a year ago.

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Exactly........that was my point. Close small businesses that can have 1-2 people in their store at any time while you leave airports and BBox stores open.

Impact.......I guess this will take care of global overpopulation.

I post this ever other week since Sept when I first received it (the original email), People don't get what is going on and the goals at the end of the Plandemic. It gave me chills first time I read it, and only further enforces those chills each month as it passes. The covid pass is next.

Venezuela socialism - with the State and corpoarations only existing.

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Some of you are OK with the new restrictions imposed by the Plandemic.
They are slowly rolling out further restrictions.

It will be an eye opener for all when they tighten the noose even further.
So far, they are right on schedule.
Remember, JT has already hinted at it.
Nice of them to have a crystal ball into the future, isn't it?

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:
- Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
- Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
- Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
- Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 - early January 2021
- Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
- Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
- Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 - Q2 2021.
- Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
- Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
- Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
- Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

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I post this ever other week since Sept when I first received it (the original email), People don't get what is going on and the goals at the end of the Plandemic. It gave me chills first time I read it, and only further enforces those chills each month as it passes. The covid pass is next.

Venezuela socialism - with the State and corpoarations only existing.

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Yes, with the vacant G-G position the day after Biden's inauguration it will be a nasty surprise.
Notice how Trudeau has been quiet about it and has not proposed any candidates?
I contacted Pierre about it and got total silence.

He posted this on his FB page a few hours later.

What I believe:
“I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.” John G. Diefenbaker

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Some of you are OK with the new restrictions imposed by the Plandemic.
They are slowly rolling out further restrictions.

It will be an eye opener for all when they tighten the noose even further.
So far, they are right on schedule.
Remember, JT has already hinted at it.
Nice of them to have a crystal ball into the future, isn't it?

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:
- Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
- Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
- Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
- Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 - early January 2021
- Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
- Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
- Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 - Q2 2021.
- Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
- Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
- Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
- Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

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This "PMO plan" is just so much horse manure on various levels but so easily slurped up by the paranoid and gullible.

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The only thing I find unusual about it, is how accurate this conspiracy letter has been ... I mean except for maybe two points ... we are on good track matching that list.

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The only thing I find unusual about it, is how accurate this conspiracy letter has been ... I mean except for maybe two points ... we are on good track matching that list.

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So many blind as a, when it's in front of their face everyday.

I must have hit a raw nerve.....lol

I heard it was pretty much just to stop the people from planning a trip as the holiday season is approaching.

Who knows

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The only thing I find unusual about it, is how accurate this conspiracy letter has been ... I mean except for maybe two points ... we are on good track matching that list.

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For the federal government to achieve any of this it would have to enact the Emergencies Act (formerly the War Measures Act.) The events this phony "PMO memo" predicts that are somewhat in place are the work of provincial governments unless one is so entirely whacked out to believe Ford, Kenney and every other provincial Premier is in on the conspiracy too. LOL.

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So many blind as a, when it's in front of their face everyday.

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There is a Great Awakening happening now worldwide.
They can censor all they want. Not difficult to find protests in major international cities such as the Netherlands and France.
Government propaganda agents are desperately trying to bring it under control.
They are failing!

https://www.jccf.ca/federal-governme...ian-travelers/

This was bound to happen ...

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https://www.jccf.ca/federal-governme...ian-travelers/

This was bound to happen ...

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I can hear their whining now.........here we go. Everyone's rights to travel (putting themselves at risk) are now deemed more important than the well being of society as a whole. I blame the lawyers as much as the entitled white heads.

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https://www.jccf.ca/federal-governme...ian-travelers/

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I'm sure they are quite aware and are pushing the limit of peoples patience.
It seems as though they are purposely turning the screw until there is massive civil unrest.

So, simple math would say that at Pearson, excluding the now banned southern destination flights there is an average of 33 international flights a day such as scheduled for tomorrow. There are a lot of jumbo jets but I will use an average of 200 passengers per flight. That is 6,600 passengers.

Now, the minimum detention is 3 days. So, at any given time there will be 19,800 passengers locked down in Toronto. This is if they all test negative. God forbid that some test positive and are forced into a 14 day detention.

This is Toronto only. Now add Montreal, Calgary and Vancouver.

What about all the flight crews? What makes them special? Breathing the same canned air for many hours as everyone else. Exception?

The Communist Liberals have gone nuts!

2 million people ordered into house arrest, due to 1 new case. As far as I'm concerned, snow birds should be happy just to be back in Canada. If they have to spend some time insolatoin. Boo-hoo
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1795477.html

Here's the thing. If its as bad and scary as Ford, JT, health officials say.
Airports should have been locked tight long ago, as well as hot spots. aka 416/905. So it begs the question, why hasn't that occurred.

1 confirmed case of the African strain in Peel today with no known contact to travellors
Ontario confirms 1st case of South African variant in Peel Region - 680 NEWS

I was told by someone that wanted to go back and visit their parents in China that they had to go to Xian for 2 weeks and isolated hotel stay (Usually they go into Beijing or Shanghai and travel on from there) before they could travel to any other city and a friend of mine went to Hong Kong for their work, two weeks of hotel stay with a tracker on before they could leave the hotel. Last I heard they let the WHO land in Wuhan but they were put in 2 weeks isolation, followed by another 2 weeks since someone tested positive (supposedly) so maybe by now they are investigating in person.

This kind of action a year ago, might have slowed the initial spread and this MIGHT slow the spread of the variants but I would actually be surprised if most of the variants are not already here in far larger numbers than those reported and they were asymptomatic or no one has really looked for them yet. The article about the military games in Wuhan in October and how the Liberal's won't test the Canadian soldiers that attended, even though many of them came home sick (probably because it would contradict China), suggests that even a year ago it was probably way too late. The fact the soldiers are untested and not part of the epidemiological spread calculations obviously means they aren't included in any of the diagrams showing the spread.

The ONLY benefit I can see from doing it now is that with the reduced air travel and this the spread of future variants may be slowed, but how long will they continue it. Right now we only have the politicians looking at polls and looking back and it seems none are thinking beyond then end of the week and trying to think of how this needs to be improved, including Ford. I heard from someone on disability that their disability cheques were actually reduced a bit last month, elderly and disabled take it on the chin again with a sledgehammer, bet the gov't staff and politicians didn't get a reduction.

1 confirmed case of the African strain in Peel today with no known contact to travellors
[URL="https://www.680news.com/2021/02/01/ontario-confirms-1st-case-of-south-african-covid19-variant-peel/"]Ontario confirms 1st case of South African variant in Peel Region - 680 NEWS

Well it had to get here somehow, plane, boat, pogo stick, that's why I've always said NO travel unless extreme reasons, and that doesn't include, I need a tan.

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That's when they call in the military do as they say lol. He can pull strings but will he ? Probably not, he will just think of another silly idea .


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1 confirmed case of the African strain in Peel today with no known contact to travellors
[URL="https://www.680news.com/2021/02/01/ontario-confirms-1st-case-of-south-african-covid19-variant-peel/"]Ontario confirms 1st case of South African variant in Peel Region - 680 NEWS

Well it had to get here somehow, plane, boat, pogo stick, that's why I've always said NO travel unless extreme reasons, and that doesn't include, I need a tan.

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It's been in Canada a while now out west, I wasn't blowing smoke out of my rear when I said it was here last week lol.

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It's been in Canada a while now out west, I wasn't blowing smoke out of my rear when I said it was here last week lol.

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I don't doubt you at all, and how many more cases that we don't know about, misdiagnosed, people think they just have a cold and shrug it off.

As far as I am concerned, civil unrest is exactly the plan in a few months. When these riots occur, it will be the state (Feds) that gets the power its needs to enact the EMA at Federal level. This is exactly the plan, Trudeau (I give credit when credit is due - even if misguided), has done a wonderfully brillant strategy to NOT enact the EMA, but instead waited until public pressure was force on Premiers to act for each province, politically he gets to play the I am not (yet), the dictator you all make me out be, causes the angry reaction early on against Premiers - who are bearing the political cost and had no choice to act for media attacks and public opinion.

No Turdboy - is waiting for the unrest to finally step in for the "country", mass protests will do it, civil unrest will launch it, make no mistake this has always been part of the "political capital" management plan for the Turd. It will also further back the need for gun ban and justify it with "I told you so", and, then more restrictions and confiscations will be ordered as a result to protect the people..

Just follow how it was done in Venezuela… textbook.

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I'm sure they are quite aware and are pushing the limit of peoples patience.
It seems as though they are purposely turning the screw until there is massive civil unrest.
The Communist Liberals have gone nuts!

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I don't doubt you at all, and how many more cases that we don't know about, misdiagnosed, people think they just have a cold and shrug it off.

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It sucks that we put it all into a vaccine that cases increase 6 fold with the new strains or variants they call them. It just means health care will be screwed still.

Covid needs a place to go other than our hospitals . Think you have covid go here lol.

Heard a commercial the other day said welcome to our new normal . Pee,d me off as it doesn't have to be like this.


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And to think, this could have been all stopped had they grounded flights last Chinese new year ... who was responsible for that NOT happening?

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And to think, this could have been all stopped had they grounded flights last Chinese new year ... who was responsible for that NOT happening?

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I will beat others to the punch........it was Harper!

Steven Harper is to blame, damn conservatives - LOL

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I will beat others to the punch........it was Harper!

Steven Harper is to blame, damn conservatives - LOL

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Come on let's be fair, share the blame : I think Mike Harris was just as guilty... HaHa...

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But it wasn't necessary too China just built a hospital in a week for precautions . When some of the military spoke out in January it wasn't necessary for them to look into it, you know it was just a bad flu season lol. When it started taking over the UK you know it wasn't a problem maybe just a fluke.

March break have a good trip [emoji6]. Enjoy stay safe lol.

No it wasn't necessary but without, it wouldn't have brought opportunities. Or a chance to reshape our world or build back better .

We must of been broken because we can do so much better lol.

The WHO is to blame doctor tam and Justin Trudeau . They were the ones looking out for us they are the experts

Remember Trump told the WHO where to go .

Our experts the ones we are supposed to be listening to just told what to say. Apparently they don't even who knows [emoji1787].


But they did training on this particular virus just moments before it was unleashed. The WHO knew how to handle the situation of the coronavirus and the effects it would have. . But it seems they forgot about there training exercise they just did .

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I will beat others to the punch........it was Harper!

Steven Harper is to blame, damn conservatives - LOL

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Come on let's be fair, share the blame : I think Mike Harris was just as guilty... HaHa...

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Fantastic first time I can ever agree with both of you at the same time, banner day.

lol.......
Guess we can be thankful the airport in Pickering isn't operational yet. Because Harper did approve that.

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I will beat others to the punch........it was Harper!

Steven Harper is to blame, damn conservatives - LOL

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He would be the man for the job to come and clean up this Liberal mess....AGAIN....

I get not wanting to bring more covid into the country. People are dying and it sucks. I also get the lack of sympathy for snowbirds and people going on Mexican vacations.

From my perspective/situation though this rule sucks. I live/work in the U.S. as a member of the Canadian military. Wife and kids are back home. Going on a year now and I’ve seen my family for two weeks. Was hoping to get back on the spring break but that is no longer in the cards (paying rent here + a mortgage back home + flights + $2000 to sit in a quarantine camp isn’t feasible).

I get it though. It’s a pandemic and we all make sacrifices...maybe I’ll see the kids in 2022.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YgF...ature=emb_logo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YgFqtpktLs&feature=emb_logo

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Wait till there is an outbreak the staff will just pass it on to everyone .

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He would be the man for the job to come and clean up this Liberal mess....AGAIN....

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Agreed 100%-he was BY FAR-the last real Statesman Canada had ,on Federal and Provincial level.

Jeff.
One of the reasons they are being shredded is because it’s a blanket slap down.

And while exceptions may be made, and can be made for those that are outside the country for good reasons...
As with most things, our officials prefer easy solutions to thinking, and measures that address “the problem”

The only exceptions that will be made for quick entrance to Canada will be brought to you by the letter "M".
Is that morality grounds ......no.
Is it Medical grounds....no.
How about MONEY gets you in for the win?
Big business will still get carte blanche for entrance, guaranteed.
Even Meng got a few weeks visit from family members travelling from China while in jail here in Canada.
Different rules for different fools.
John

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Yup ... using the logic of some members on this forum, must be!

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Fantastic first time I can ever agree with both of you at the same time, banner day.

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Ooops, der it is!

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I get not wanting to bring more covid into the country. People are dying and it sucks. I also get the lack of sympathy for snowbirds and people going on Mexican vacations.

From my perspective/situation though this rule sucks. I live/work in the U.S. as a member of the Canadian military. Wife and kids are back home. Going on a year now and I’ve seen my family for two weeks. Was hoping to get back on the spring break but that is no longer in the cards (paying rent here + a mortgage back home + flights + $2000 to sit in a quarantine camp isn’t feasible).

I get it though. It’s a pandemic and we all make sacrifices...maybe I’ll see the kids in 2022.

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If you are in another country due to work reasons, the company (or government in your case) should bear the cost of your quarantine obligations upon return ... no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

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I get not wanting to bring more covid into the country. People are dying and it sucks. I also get the lack of sympathy for snowbirds and people going on Mexican vacations.

From my perspective/situation though this rule sucks. I live/work in the U.S. as a member of the Canadian military. Wife and kids are back home. Going on a year now and I’ve seen my family for two weeks. Was hoping to get back on the spring break but that is no longer in the cards (paying rent here + a mortgage back home + flights + $2000 to sit in a quarantine camp isn’t feasible).

I get it though. It’s a pandemic and we all make sacrifices...maybe I’ll see the kids in 2022.

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Is there a possibility you might qualify for an essential designation?

I’m not essential nor will the CAF cover the cost of quarantining if I travel for leave. Would be a different story if I went back on official business.

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So when you are stationed, you do not get a R&R periodically as part of the package? Seems like it is considered more like a permanent relocation?

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Only commercial flights ? You should be able to use the Quarantine facilities in Trenton.

Surprised? Your deluxe stay at the quarantine hotel courtesy of:

Are Radisson hotels owned by China?

As per Radisson Hotel Group's website, Radisson Hospitality is majority owned by Jin Jiang International Holdings Co, which is ultimately owned by an entity of the government of the People's Republic of China.