US v/s Them... (us?)

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well Roper - let me tell you something - we're going to protect you if you like it or not - in fact because of your complaining we are going to protect you even more - so what you gonna do about it - in the mean time - back at the ranch

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Joe are you really talking on behalf of all the US?? My wife is American and she'd shake her head in disgrace if I read this BS to her. I was just joking around earlier, but please get off your high horse. It's become a laughing matter and we're not laughing with you. There's no better way to piss off a Canadian than to come on here and talk like your almighty God. We're all no better than the other so please stop trying to be our unwanted saviour. You're talking like you're some 5 star general that owns the US and gets to decide what the policies are. Lol. Just go fishing and shut those lips please. It's definitely getting annoying.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Let's see if we can put Atleast some of this to bed.

Germany had too many fronts.
germany extended themselves so much their supply was severely compromised. See "petrol" to fuel their war machine. They to were getting low on supplies Joe.
etc, etc.

So it's late in the 4th quarter, two Bulldogs had been slugging it out for 3 quarters, llitterly beating snot out of each other, and things are up in the air.

In comes the 3rd string quarterback, he's not that good (see your equipment), many will say not the best strategically (see your command). In fact he's very green and inexperienced to. But fresh legs (lots of factories....who btw aren't getting blown to bits like everyone else's), is the difference. He puts together a couple strong drives....and we win.

No American football fan will say he won the game, is the hero. How would they describe it? An important part yes, absolutely, but just a part of "team" win. We all of coarse are thankful, Churchill to. But what would you expect him to say?

oh, and Joe. Funny thing about D-Day.
The ONLY army to meet their objectives?
the Canadians.
*****

one last fact.
Cracking the Germans Enigma was quite likely the single most important thing.
The British did that.
heck your guys were so bad, that despite intercepting lots about Pearl Harbor, you dropped the ball.

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That about sums it up! Except they went on to make one Hollywood movie after another about how they save the world in WWII. If you say it enough times to yourself it becomes a Truth.

Yes JBen and the main reason my entire family including my wife family immigrated to Canada from the Netherlands after the war. Numerous times while visiting the Netherlands the older generation after hearing me speak English will ask if I am from Canada. They get so excited about the Canadian soldiers that saved them from the Nazi's . They have a deep admiration and respect for Canada.

/thumbs-up

My family (my mothers side, dad was Irish the wrong color :)) while quite removed from Winston, are direct descendants. Lots of my uncles came home, all bore scars, missing parts, and 1 still carried shrapnel inside him. Didn't happen often, but sometimes the rye would flow generously and they'd talk. Every now and then the odd whisper about my grandfathers involvement (on some level) on Enigma.

Joe what follows is no "knock", as I've stated earlier, I anyways think you make some very good points about a few things.
It's a crying shame, that only 70 years later, so much is forgotten, or that Hollywood has distorted things so much.

Food for thought
or
fuel on the fire.

Picture a world where the US did in fact "mind its own business". And that includes off shore Canada, to the east where we have had so many problems with fish stocks alone, (forget our off shore oil)....The Artic where......and the NW passage where.

And we have only just now "upgraded" from the very trust worthy, field tested Lee Enfield that served soooooooo many, so well, back when.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...ary-protection

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Ya sure - but when the time comes that your country needs to be protected you'll be glad that the Americans are around to save your - you basically depend on us now for protection otherwise you would have to spend billions to provide that same protection by yourself - there isn't a country on this earth that has spend more treasure and blood helping other countries when they were in trouble - maybe your too young to even know about this fact - I suggest you take some time away from your video games and study up on history

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You forget my old mucker, the post WW2 the political environment in the USA. The government, and the people at the time were so scared of the USSR , that you made promises to supply and equip Canada with state of the art Aircraft, ships, and need our help to create and run the DEW LINE. Just to put the icing on the cake, Canada had to sign agreements to NEVER design and build it's own Aircraft, and that we could NEVER buy non US Aircraft. You owe us a lot of planes by the way. There is also the fact that the military and government planners of the time saw Canada and the North as the best place to stop Nuclear ladden bombers. Their plan was to use Canada as a buffer between them and the USSR, allowing them to shoot down enemy bombers over Canada so that the US would not be POISONED by the nuclear bombs from downed aircraft. So since the start the US has only viewed Canada as a safety buffer, has not kept it's promises to supply equipment, has not been held to their promises by liberal government in Canada.

You keep telling us you have the "BEST" military in the world, and that they can take on every military in the world and win. Well looks like you may soon get the chance to prove it. Your government is so locked in politics and back stabbing individual attacks, that if Mexico invaded AZ, CA, and NM, they would spend the next six years arguing over if it was an invasion or just more "UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS".

I hope you will be too OLD to see it, but the Western world will more likely rot from the inside out then be destroyed by a invader. That is not to say that someone will not walk in and pick up the pieces....Maybe your kids had better start learning ARABIC now.. I know burka really cut down on skin cancer rates and wrinkles caused by sun exposure.

Some knowledgeable people have said, that within 5 generations every family will have some Chinese in their bloodline. All China has to do is open the gates.

So many of you guys are jumping all over the place - I never degraded what Canada, England or any other country did during WWII - all I said was that it was the US's industrial might that turned the tide of the war - why is it so hard to accept that - sure the Canadians, the English, the French and many others fought hard but every history book I ever read gave a lot of credit to the material furnished by the US - you can fight as hard as you can but without the materials of war your chances of winning are pretty low -

Now as far as the US protecting Canada - you got to be honest - there are many countries throughout the world that depend on the US for protection - that's just the way it is - and as a result these countries do not need to spend as much money on their own defense - what chance would these countries have against a power like Russia or China - none - when the Russia's start taking Canada's artic land are you going to fight them and defeat them - you know darn well that you'll be looking to your southern neighbor for help -

I stand behind everything that I have said - it wasn't intended to annoy anyone - just wanted to state some facts that's all - now I'm done with this post but just want to end with this - you can go to bed at night and sleep soundly because you know that the US's nuclear shield is also covering and protecting your part of the world - if the US ceased to exist than you better build your own - then you'll realize how nice it was to depend on the US for that protection - Amen

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I hope you will be too OLD to see it, but the Western world will more likely rot from the inside out then be destroyed by a invader

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Likely true, good post all through, but that's the pertinent piece. Just look around, and I may ruffle a couple feathers with this comment but its true none the less. I've said for years, the US is a powder keg on a slow burn. The fuse is lit here as well, its just a longer a fuse. In the US its very obvious now, becoming a little more obvious in Canada. We are so busy fighting each other...

L vs R, R v L, very polarized.

US vs them indeed.
Except internally

' You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall'. AFGM