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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

I think she resigned more because Trudeau said he had full confidence in her, suggested she would have resigned from cabinet on principle if she had felt anyone had tried to improperly pressure her and said her presence in cabinet should speak for itself. If I remember correctly, he said this rather late in the day. She resigned the next day. However, you could be correct. She stated she can't speak about the cabinet meetings after she accepted Veterans Affairs so we really don't know. In fact it could be both, she learned about the DPA, Trudeau made his comments and that forced her hand.

The Libs are on damage control. Several have claimed her testimony is "her" truth, despite backing it up with evidence. One MP out in BC had to apologize to her in the House of Commons because while being interviewed by a BC paper said he thought her father was pulling her strings, her testimoney was just sour grapes and that she wasn't a team player (https://www.abbynews.com/news/wilson...-area-mp-says/).

Now Butts has asked to testify before the justice committee despite Liberal members blocking him from doing so. From the way they have handled this in the past couple of weeks, they sure want the dumpster fire to keep burning. However, since they didn't handle this thing correctly from the start, why should they start now? Lol. I would like the PM to appear before the committee just so he actually has to answer the questions rather than deflect like he does in question period but I think his team will not want that to happen because he doesn't do well off script.

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“Doesn’t do well off script” is a bit of an understatement to say the least

Those repetitive “uhhhh” ‘s must have been him waiting for his next line from Butts in the earpiece. Going to be a lot more of those going forward.

Whole statement here, key points....

http://jphilpott.liberal.ca/news-nouvelles/statement/
March 4, 2019

Dear Prime Minister,

It is an enormous privilege to be the Member of Parliament for Markham-Stouffville and to have served as Minister of Health, then Minister of Indigenous Services, then President of the Treasury Board and Minister of Digital Government. It has been an honour to play a leading role in progress that has shaped our country: bringing Syrian refugees to Canada; legislating a balanced approach to Medical Assistance in Dying; negotiating a health accord with new resources for mental health and home care; improving infrastructure for First Nations to provide clean water on reserve; and reforming child welfare to reduce the over-apprehension of Indigenous children.

However, I have been considering the events that have shaken the federal government in recent weeks and after serious reflection, I have concluded that I must resign as a member of Cabinet.

In Canada, the constitutional convention of Cabinet solidarity means, among other things, that ministers are expected to defend all Cabinet decisions. A minister must always be prepared to defend other ministers publicly, and must speak in support of the government and its policies. Given this convention and the current circumstances, it is untenable for me to continue to serve as a Cabinet minister.

Unfortunately, the evidence of efforts by politicians and/or officials to pressure the former Attorney General to intervene in the criminal case involving SNC-Lavalin, and the evidence as to the content of those efforts have raised serious concerns for me. Those concerns have been augmented by the views expressed by my constituents and other Canadians.

The solemn principles at stake are the independence and integrity of our justice system. It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases. Sadly, I have lost confidence in how the government has dealt with this matter and in how it has responded to the issues raised.
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What do you think, Non Confidence vote and early election in the hopes of saving their own butts or enough for an NDP coalition ... instead of maybe waiting till October and ending up in single digits seat count???

The above is a big oh! oh! , makes me wonder if there are any more that have the integrity to resign .

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Whole statement here, key points....

http://jphilpott.liberal.ca/news-nouvelles/statement/
March 4, 2019

Dear Prime Minister,

It is an enormous privilege to be the Member of Parliament for Markham-Stouffville and to have served as Minister of Health, then Minister of Indigenous Services, then President of the Treasury Board and Minister of Digital Government. It has been an honour to play a leading role in progress that has shaped our country: bringing Syrian refugees to Canada; legislating a balanced approach to Medical Assistance in Dying; negotiating a health accord with new resources for mental health and home care; improving infrastructure for First Nations to provide clean water on reserve; and reforming child welfare to reduce the over-apprehension of Indigenous children.

However, I have been considering the events that have shaken the federal government in recent weeks and after serious reflection, I have concluded that I must resign as a member of Cabinet.

In Canada, the constitutional convention of Cabinet solidarity means, among other things, that ministers are expected to defend all Cabinet decisions. A minister must always be prepared to defend other ministers publicly, and must speak in support of the government and its policies. Given this convention and the current circumstances, it is untenable for me to continue to serve as a Cabinet minister.

Unfortunately, the evidence of efforts by politicians and/or officials to pressure the former Attorney General to intervene in the criminal case involving SNC-Lavalin, and the evidence as to the content of those efforts have raised serious concerns for me. Those concerns have been augmented by the views expressed by my constituents and other Canadians.

The solemn principles at stake are the independence and integrity of our justice system. It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases. Sadly, I have lost confidence in how the government has dealt with this matter and in how it has responded to the issues raised.
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What do you think, Non Confidence vote and early election in the hopes of saving their own butts or enough for an NDP coalition ... instead of maybe waiting till October and ending up in single digits seat count???

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I think it is worse those two options. As Patrick Brown knows, leaders of political parties serve at the leisure of the caucus. If the caucus wants to throw out the leader, there isn't a whole lot the leader can do about it.

They won’t dump Trudough. He is only the “spokesmodel” of the liberal party. Low intellect voters who vote for looks and charisma likely don’t understand what is going on and if they do they don’t really care about it. The Maritimes would vote for dead carp if it was on the ballot as a liberal. Quebec will never support the conservatives. The libs still have a 50/50 chance of getting back in with a minority and then the NDP will be the tail wagging the dog. Bernier could very well deny the Conservatives a win just like the reform days.

I wonder how many more rats will try to get off the sinking ship.

If the rats are in ridings that are borderline.....I would expect more.
I think this will be the nastiest campaign in this country’s history.

It all depends on how hard they can chorale them... with Butts gone and one crossed the floor before this and now two of the cabinet and the SNC .... but he sure likes his talking points and Uh ... does he look/sound drunk (or something) to you in this one?

When they pull back it looks like most of the crowd was on the stage or right at the front for the camera's... I wonder if CBC will get an increase in the coming budget.... I wonder if it will pass a confidence vote....

https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/stat...36178749423617

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Originally Posted by mosquito

It all depends on how hard they can chorale them... with Butts gone and one crossed the floor before this and now two of the cabinet and the SNC .... but he sure likes his talking points and Uh ... does he look/sound drunk (or something) to you in this one?

When they pull back it looks like most of the crowd was on the stage or right at the front for the camera's... I wonder if CBC will get an increase in the coming budget.... I wonder if it will pass a confidence vote....

https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/stat...36178749423617

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I stay educated on the issues and I always vote, but that clip reminds why I have not and will not ever attend a political rally and be one of the sheep that awkwardly cheers on cue. I don't care which party it is.

Just watched a bit of it. I don’t think Trudough caught the hypocrisy of the liberals forcibly removing a protester while he spews platitudes about having room for differences of opinion.
The whole channel shift attempt happening there is also laughable. Room full of senior cabinet ministers trying to divert away from the massive scandal in play. Even the French placards in the crowd are for Quebec not that MP’s riding.