Shotguns with screw in chokes.... exceed the 20mm so now prohibited????

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

The Plot thickens.........

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1582690646000

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So Badenock, and 410001661 how would you like your crow.
CBSA did not do it, it was the RCMP..

Oh for FFS.

CBSA first of all is an agency of the government of Canada. Did you two forget that.

Have you forgotten some basic truths in law? Or have neither of you ever worked with legal documents? The legal definitions have to be uniform. Ever read a will ? Can you imagine a world where the legal definition of property (land) meant A....and....B

Otherwise it’s chaos!!!

And lastly,
Last I checked millions of Shotguns are imported. So we can buy them. Or do they not cross the border before ending up at Cabellas? So it’s not just about you. It’s people that hunt in other parts of the world...and

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

what a e show this is becoming......who do we trust?????

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Trust your gut. Liberal posters here all say "Bill and Justin said it was OK,it didn't apply cuz they said so." Yet,here we are with the RCMP and CBSA seizing an old Iver Johnson single shot 12ga. on video,nonetheless. Without a doubt,the Liberals couldn't organize a one-armed pivot man at a circle jerk. If this isn't fixed,officially,in the next 24 hrs in a fit and proper manner,we may draw the conclusion that this was deliberate and by design making Trudeau and Blair unrepentant,bald-faced Liberal liars beyond redemption and totally unfit to hold the offices that they do. If they had one shred of honor and credibility,their OIC should be rescinded with both offering their resignations,forthwith. In nthe meantime,leave your shotguns locked up. Sooner rather than later,this will be ironed out,one way or the other.

No kidding Trimmer.

I most certainly do not think this is the beginning of “hitler” disarming us.

But I do weep for our children. Because parents are obviously apathetic

And it’s the devil

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Originally Posted by JBen

No kidding Trimmer.

I most certainly do not think this is the beginning of “hitler” disarming us.

But I do weep for our children. Because parents are obviously apathetic

And it’s the devil

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Canadians are apathetic because,so far,nothing really bad has happened to them,yet,even after this Covid-19 threat,other than a huge inconvenience. I don't know what it will take to get them out of their torpor,short of an armed incursion by a hostile foreign power that really means business. I have European friends and colleagues who came from countries where exactly that happened and they're all very concerned about what they're seeing,here. I,too,worry for our children and grandchildren.

Posted on RCMP website.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...and-devices?re

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Important notice: Update on10and12gauge shotgun classification under the new prohibition

On May1st,2020, the Government of Canada announced that it had made amendments to the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462) [Classification Regulations] prescribing certain firearms as prohibited. One of the categories of the newly prohibited firearms include"Any firearm with a bore diameter of20mm or greater"(s.95of the Classification Regulations).

The Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) of the RCMP adheres to the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners' (AFTE) definition for bore diameter measurements. "The interior dimensions of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke." (Glossary of the Association of Firearm & Tool Mark Examiners by the AFTE Standardization Committee,1st Ed.1980). This is reflected in the RCMP's Firearms Reference Table (FRT) which clearly states that"...in shotguns, diameter of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke."The CFP also recognizes the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) standards regarding firearms and ammunition. The SAAMI chamber specifications for10ga and12ga shotguns do not include chokes therefore indicating that chokes are not part of the bore. Accordingly, it is the CFP's view that, in accordance with acceptable firearms industry standards for shotguns, the bore diameter measurement is considered to be at a point after the chamber, but before the choke.

Further, in making classification assessments of firearms which are reflected in the FRT, the CFP relies on recognized industry standard measurements. With respect to10ga and12ga shotguns, the CFP recognizes the SAAMI standard specifications which establish that the nominal (i.e. standard) bore diameter measurements for10ga and12ga shotguns are below the20mm threshold (19.69mm for10ga,18.42mm for12ga).

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CBSA ( May 2019)

IMPORTING and exporting firearms.
https://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications...-13-2-eng.html

Now do we see the problem?
Solution is easy. CBSA changes theirs so that definitions are uniform. They to use SAAMI. However when two law enforcement agencies ( of the Govt) cant get THEIR Shyte together because those above them are village idiots....

There we go..thanks Blargon !! :thumbup:

As far as the CBSA...they use the RCMP for the policing services/needs so that solves that too...print off the page and keep it with you if your traveling and worried about this nonsense.

some levity....

https://i.imgur.com/VV24yhWl.jpg

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I guess that in your simple internet check, you missed this fact!

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Honduras indisputably has the highest homicide rate in the world, with estimates ranging from a rate of 90.4 intentional homicides per 100,000 people in 2012, according to the United Nations, to 103.9 per 100,000 population, according to the World Health Organization.
The vast majority, more than 80 percent, of those homicides are linked to a firearm. Lethal shootings most often occur in urban centers and areas along the Atlantic coast and border regions, which suggests the violence is linked to drug trafficking patterns and gangs, according to a report on Honduras by the Small Arms Survey, a Swiss-based research project.

Switzerland’s homicide rate is among the lowest in the world, but the meme goes too far in saying it’s the very lowest. By the UN and WHO measures, the most recent Swiss intentional homicide rate is 0.6 deaths per population.

The above comes from Polifacts!

A little more factual info!
As far as homicide rates go, Honduras does have the highestintentional homicide rate in the world at about 90.4 homicides per 100,000 people per year (which is even shockingly higher than the homicide rate of the next worst country, Venezuela, at 53.7). Although Switzerland’s intentional homicide rate is indeed low at 0.6, it isn’t quite the lowest in the world: it’s bested by several other countries such as Liechtenstein, Monaco, Iceland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, the latter two of which have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world. Moreover, a better metric for comparison purposes here might perhaps be the firearm-related death rate rather than the overall intentional homicide rate; in that case, Honduras is still the worst, but Switzerland doesn’t fare quite as well (ranking behind about 43 other countries).

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What has this got to do with this thread ?? Who cares about Honduras !!!