CNN is live feeding the protests and it ain't pretty...

De-funding police forces seems to be a topic of discussion the last few days ....I wonder how that is supposed to work??

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

De-funding police forces seems to be a topic of discussion the last few days ....I wonder how that is supposed to work??

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From how I understand what people are talking about,I think they mean defunding the purchase of armored personnel carriers,sniper firearms,ballistic military vests,uniforms and,in general,completely de-militarizing Police forces across North America. The rationale is to halt the psychology of being turned into a Police state with Police being an army of occupation rather than a public service.

When I asked last year fall about the budget apparently it was capped and there was not enough money for them already. We were discussing how it cost a quarter million per officer a year to survive and do their job properly. Most on here said there was already not enough money for them.

Alls I wanted and said there was enough money from the budget for more than what they said and I was criticized by many, now they want to cut the budget by 10 percent.

I'm not down for a defunding of the police and I never was. I only wanted to know why it cost so much to get a new cop on the street and I was pretty bashed by it. How would they survive a 10 percent budget decrease how will we ever get new cops on the streets again when they may loose hundreds millions of dollars in the budget. How would they ever be able to do their jobs properly. Oh dear




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Originally Posted by fishfood

When I asked last year fall about the budget apparently it was capped and there was not enough money for them already. We were discussing how it cost a quarter million per officer a year to survive and do their job properly. Most on here said there was already not enough money for them.

Alls I wanted and said there was enough money from the budget for more than what they said and I was criticized by many, now they want to cut the budget by 10 percent.

I'm not down for a defunding of the police and I never was. I only wanted to know why it cost so much to get a new cop on the street and I was pretty bashed by it. How would they survive a 10 percent budget decrease how will we ever get new cops on the streets again when they may loose hundreds millions of dollars in the budget. How would they ever be able to do their jobs properly. Oh dear




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I am sure that the political spin will win on this. They may say that the police budget should be cut by 10% but they will add (sneak) 20% in with a different title. I don`t believe for a minute that the overall amount of money that goes into policing will be reduced, if anything it will be increased just by another name. These guys all seem to have the same agenda, how to make me look good..... Political correction by any other name is a form of racism all on its own....

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Originally Posted by fratri

Do you really think any of them wanted for that man to die, especially in broad day light and on camera..... Something went terrible wrong with their judgement. No man deserves to die like that.

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If you are looking for my opinion ... yeah, I think the cop that stood on his neck for 8 minutes, while people are telling him he's unresponsive didn't care and wanted him to die. You have to be without a brain to do that and call it an accident.

And yeah, the other two cops are involved, because they did not use judgement and stop it from happening. Crappy situation, but again I ask, what if it were flipped, and a black guy had his knee on a cop, and two of his black friends were there watching and did nothing to stop it?? What would the cops do?? Oh I know, they'd shoot them ALL.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

From the look of things two of the officers were rookies (one officer was only on his 3rd shift as a police officer) and the other officer doing the kneeling was their training officer. You can't possibly expect those two guys to speak up with any conviction if they want to keep their career in line.

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Doesn't matter ... the law was broken, they didn't react. The are TRAINED for those situations ... and training failed them, or they ignored the training. Yeah, I feel bad for them, but if they turn a blind eye here, you know how bad it gets??? Talk about an organic culture for corruption!

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

I’ve just watched a couple of videos on CBC and it sure is startling to see the things that a few cops are doing. I’m usually a law and order guy but seeing a 75 year old man knocked down by riot police, where he laid bleeding as they all marched by, is pretty alarming. I can’t imagine what threat they saw. The second one was from Indianapolis where 4 cops beat two women with batons.

These videos are a little too close to some of the scenes from the Handmaid’s Tale.

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We are slowly becoming a police state, with the police actions going unchecked! It has to stop!

You know I was in New York with my wife, and two cops stood there, right beside us, and were making sexual remarks about my wife ... easy for us to hear, and they really couldn't care less, they were talking at a normal volume ... how do you think that made us feel? I was like, do I pick a fight with these a-holes?? Where do I end up then?

It was simply a bad, bad situation, and we were helpless. The law became our enemy! IT HAS TO STOP! POLICE need to honor that uniform, or get thrown in prison. PERIOD!

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

I would imagine there are many recruits and rookie officers out there who are re-thinking their decision at joining the ranks of law enforcement?

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OR maybe now they know they need to speak up when some a-hole senior cop looses his mind! They are also accountable, and they better be thinking, am I going to throw my entire life away because this douche bag cop is doing something bad, and I need to shut up about it??

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Originally Posted by MarkB

We are slowly becoming a police state, with the police actions going unchecked! It has to stop!

You know I was in New York with my wife, and two cops stood there, right beside us, and were making sexual remarks about my wife ... easy for us to hear, and they really couldn't care less, they were talking at a normal volume ... how do you think that made us feel? I was like, do I pick a fight with these a-holes?? Where do I end up then?

It was simply a bad, bad situation, and we were helpless. The law became our enemy! IT HAS TO STOP! POLICE need to honor that uniform, or get thrown in prison. PERIOD!

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Tough situation and you likely made the right decision, I’m sure it didn’t feel right but your instincts probably served you well. An idiot with a badge is one you’re unlikely to beat.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

You know I was in New York with my wife, and two cops stood there, right beside us, and were making sexual remarks about my wife ... easy for us to hear, and they really couldn't care less, they were talking at a normal volume ... how do you think that made us feel? I was like, do I pick a fight with these a-holes?? Where do I end up then?

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In New York,you say? That's not surprising. They seem to be in a different universe. New Jersey is bad,too. Those folks are living 40 years in the past....."hey,how YOU doin'?" LOL I attended some GM corporate seminars in the early 90's in both Detroit and Lansing,MI. at Michigan State U. (go Wolverines). I met several local LEO's who seemed to be really decent people,but,did they ever have attitudes toward visible minorities. It became obvious that whites hated blacks,blacks hated Asians,whites and Latinos hated everybody. Fast forward 20 years or so and it amazes me to this day how they even function.